Mark and Julie Appleyard

Rethinking Church








Risk, trust, pioneering and a church built upon encounters with the transformative love of God, this podcast is an invitation to rethinking church.

From the traditional to a micro church model, Mark and Julie share their journey of pastoring.

Today, through Anothen Micro Church, they empower believers around the world to become influential spiritual leaders in their homes and communities.



“I don’t have great faith without great belief, and I don’t have great belief without deeper encounter.” Mark Appleyard

“For love to be agile the church has to be mobile.” Julie Appleyard

“Every believer is a leader simply by he who is in them.” Mark Appleyard

“What if we didn’t become policers of rules but releasers of people.” Mark Appleyard

“God is much more passionate about creating cultures for freedom than the sin issue because He has already dealt with that.” Julie Appleyard


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Podcast intro and outro music by Wilde Assembly

Brent Lokker
Thomas Floyd is a psychotherapist that loves to chat about the intersectionality of faith and psychology. He passionately pursues the belief that being spiritually mature means also being emotionally mature. He lived in Chile for the first 11 years of his life and now lives with his wife Sarah in North Carolina. He is an enneagram enthusiast, a theology junky, and a sports FANATIC.

Jason Clark is a writer, speaker, and lead communicator at A Family Story ministries. His mission is to encourage sons and daughters to grow sure in the love of an always-good heavenly Father. He and his wife, Karen, live in North Carolina with their three children.

1 Comment

  1. Tineke Ziemer

    Cool guys! I’ve never heard it put that way, but I guess we “rethought” church many many years ago! haha. This podcast closely describes our experience with the Ekklesia, meeting in homes (or wherever) for most of my life. I can really attest to the power of each person being “a leader.” The experience is so rich when the full revelation is brought in bits and pieces through each person present until the whole revelation is revealed. We get to collectively be in awe of what God is saying to us all together. It’s exciting to hear that more people are experiencing the amazing intimacy and freedom that comes from allowing the Holy Spirit to lead the gatherings. I have been excited about my church experience for so many years, but it often falls on deaf ears or people are afraid of it because of reasons discussed in this podcast (especially accountability – people are so afraid of not having someone in charge, but JESUS is in charge and he’s WAY better at leading his church than any of us could be!) All of this to say, it’s validating and exciting to witness this revelation taking off! May Julie and Mark be blessed as they share their story!


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