Does Hell Exist?








Last week’s article, Why I Am Not A Universalist, has led to some awesome conversations, both in-person and online. On Monday, I was asked on Facebook if I believed in “a literal hell, not just the effects, like condemnation and shame and so on, but a literal fiery place of eternal torment?” I posted my response on Facebook, and it led to more amazing interactions.

The interactions have been generous and open-hearted, so I thought I would post my Facebook response as this week’s article so we might continue the conversation.

I am aware that many have strong feelings regarding the subject of hell. My thoughts are not definitive. Please take them as suggestions from a fellow traveler who is leaning into His love, and let not your heart be troubled. 

The Question

“Do you believe in a literal hell, not just the effects, like condemnation and shame and so on, but a literal fiery place of eternal torment?”

My Thoughts

Here are my thoughts on the subject of hell as of Oct 28, 2019.

I don’t know if hell is a literal place. I don’t know how time and space work on the other side of this life. But whether it’s a place or not, I do think it’s an experience, certainly in this life. 

When it comes to my thoughts on hell, the question for me isn’t whether it exists, but, what is God like?

I don’t believe God is about punishment; (see The Problem with Retribution) I don’t believe He is retributive, therefore, I don’t think hell is about punishment, at least, not on God’s end.

Punishment says something about the nature of God I just don’t see in the life, death, and resurrection of Christ.

So how does hell work? 

I don’t know. And neither does the fella behind the pulpit. Even if he tells you, he does. He has no empirical evidence, and his Biblical certainly is based on beliefs, philosophies, and the elevation of his interpretation of scripture over that of a church that spans 2000 years.

If you would like to read a book that helped me understand how the church has viewed hell over the last 2000 years, I’d recommend Brad Jersak’s, Her Gates Will Never Be Shut

But quickly here,

What I’ve discovered is that reconciling love is measureless, and nothing separates us from Him.

To me, hell is greatly connected to how we perceive God, ourselves, others, our circumstances, and our experiences.

In Matthew 6:22-23. Jesus said, “The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eyes are healthy, your whole body will be full of light. But if your eyes are unhealthy, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!”

For me, hell is what happens when light, love, wholeness, and life are perceived as darkness, hate, brokenness, and death. And how great is that hell… To me, hell is what we experience when we either reject love or don’t have the inability to receive it. Hell is what we experience when light is perceived as darkness. 

Essentially, hell is participating in retribution when God is doing reconciliation. I don’t believe hell is about God punishing us; I think hell is humanity’s broken perspective and the fruits thereof. God doesn’t punish us; sin is its own punishment. But if we perceive this punishment as God’s will, how great is that darkness?

When our eyes, (our perception) are true (Jesus), heaven, is the result; grace is the result, life, light, and love. Just so, when we see untruly, how great is that darkness?

If Scripture is to be believed and truly nothing separates us from God’s love, then to me, hell is not the absence of love, nor is it truly the rejection of love. Hell is the inability to receive love; an inability to recognize and participate with love. Hell is the deception of separation humanity has partnered with since the fall; a lie introduced by a snake in a garden.

And, of course, this raises the big “scary question” I have avoided outside of small groups for years simply because I knew my thoughts might possibly offend folks, and I wasn’t yet sure enough in love to write them down.

(I’ve written more on the subject as of 11-29-21 – You can read it HERE)

The Question

“Can we be saved after we die?”

My Thoughts

Yes, I sure hope so.


Because God is love.

God is love. Love is greater and grander and still measureless (Eph 3:16-20). Love is fully available to us in life and death (Rom 8:38-39). Love is a relentless Redeemer, and nothing separates us from His nature (Luke 23:34). Death doesn’t end His great affection for us nor cut us off from His presence. He is always with us; His love is always available to us (Rom 8:38-39). His nature doesn’t change simply because we have rejected Him or are unable to see Him for who He truly is.

Not even hell can separate us from Love’s great affection, nor cut us off from His presence. Even in hell, Love is available to us. (See Psalm 139:8)

The only way Love works, in my understanding, is in the context of consent; we are free to choose. The idea that we can’t receive or reject His love after this life is in direct conflict with the nature of Love. (see “A Few More Thoughts” below for more on this)

Satan was free to choose long before we had words to describe the consequences of his deception and rejection; his story suggests free will existed before time, as we understand it, existed (Isaiah 14:12-15). Adam and Eve were also free to choose; they lived heaven on earth yet were deceived and partnered with the lie of separation and, in so doing, rejected love. And that’s when hell entered their narrative.

So, if God is love and His love reconciles (see 2 Cor 5:19) and chases us down even into death as Paul writes in Romans, then I don’t know why there wouldn’t be opportunities to receive His reconciling love both on this side and the other side of life. 

(I’ve written more on the subject as of 11-29-21 – You can read it HERE)

This raises a new question…

The Question

“How does this work after we die?”

My Thoughts

I have no idea. But to be honest, I don’t think I need to know, nor is it where I place my focus. I believe Jesus wanted heaven on earth (Matt 6:10). So, when it comes to hell, my focus is very much connected to the here and now. It’s not that what happens when we die isn’t important; it’s just that I believe my ability to understand it is greatly connected to how sure I am in His love in the here and now. I’m only 45; I have eternity to discover the measureless, miraculous, mind-transforming goodness of His affection. 

I think the best way to grow in understanding regarding what may happen after we die is through participation in reconciliation here and now.

One last thought, I would like to suggest that any belief about hell that isn’t birthed from Jesus on a cross reconciling the world to Himself, not counting our sins against us, is flawed, and, therefore, dangerous to our spiritual and emotional well-being.

The best way to expose a lie is to be immersed in the truth. The best way to illuminate darkness is to have a very bright light.

In the same way, I would like to suggest that the best way to perceive hell is through a greater revelation of the Kingdom of Heaven.

I have found that those who tend to preach most fervently on the horrors of hell and eternal damnation seem to have very little evidence of the kingdom of heaven in their lives. You know, the righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit that Paul wrote about in Romans 14:17. Those last two pieces of evidence, peace, and joy — they are often markedly absent.

You don’t understand a lie by studying the lie; you understand a lie by becoming immersed in the truth. His love, revealed perfectly in the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus, is truth. And I’m convinced this is where life is discovered and also where understanding regarding heaven and hell is discovered.

Anyway, those are my thoughts 🙂
Would love to hear yours.


A Few More Thoughts…

Regarding the “scary question” and whether free will exists after we die.

I believe hell exists, and I am not a universalist as Calvin has forced us Evangelicals to define it. I am hopeful. And I am convinced God is a relentless redeemer.

I’m not suggesting that this life and our decisions aren’t important. A poor, flawed, rebellious, or ignorant decision has consequences.

And I believe we can experience those consequences as punishment. But I don’t believe punishment is on God’s end. While the idea that God is retributive can be found in scripture, it is not supported in the Word Who Became Flesh; it is not supported in the life, death, resurrection and ascension of Christ. Through Christ, I see God as restorative. (I’ve written more on the subject as of 11-04-20 – You can read it HERE)

I grew up being taught that heaven and hell were about God either rewarding or punishing. I don’t believe that anymore. When I write about hell, I am approaching the subject believing God is about reconciliation. This perspective doesn’t dismiss the existence of hell; it simply invites me to rethink hell in the context of the reconciling work of the cross. “For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.” 1 Cor 15:22

Here’s what I’m convinced of: God is love. He is perfectly revealed through Jesus, and He is always good. His love continues to be better than I think. And His love us reconciling the world to Himself. At the end of the day, my goal in life is to grow in His affection and live as a revelation of His love.  

Jason Clark
is a writer, speaker and lead communicator at A Family Story ministries. His mission is to encourage sons and daughters to grow sure in the love of an always-good heavenly Father. He and his wife, Karen, live in North Carolina with their three children.


  1. Seth Stone

    As a recovering Calvinist I often struggle with the simplicity of grace and the love of God. Much of what you write is challenging because it is so different from what I have always been taught but I am so thankful for it. The theological questions that you tackle are thought provoking and help draw me out of my comfort zone. I am not sure exactly what I believe about many of these questions anymore but I do know that the Fathers love for us is what matters. Thank you so much for always pointing back to the love of Christ. Every time I read anything you have written I find myself really examining what I believe and all the old arguments start coming to mind. Somehow your timing is perfect and just before I fall down the rabbit hole of reading old books I don’t understand and questioning the entire meaning of life as we know it…you remind me that none of that is the point. Thank you for always pointing to Christ and encouraging us to rest in his love. Keep up the good work!

    • Jason Clark

      Thanks, Seth!

      The last decade or so has been a wonderful journey of growing sure in His affection. It’s been kinda like learning a new language, but one I was born to know.

      His love is the whole story, yes and amen.

      Thanks for the encouragement!

  2. Allen Kemp


    Thanks for being willing to take a big bite on a big topic that continues to perplex Christians through the centuries. Basically, the idea goes “How can a loving God send anyone to hell?” or “How can hell exist as a place of eternal torment if God is Love?” Every generation has struggled with this question.

    Unlike perhaps a lot or your blog readers I grew up in the permissive, rebellion culture of the 60’s and early 70’s (I fully gave my life to Christ in Dec. 1974 at age 17). My home Presbyterian church was “liberal,” following the popular theology that educated, enlightened people did not believe in anything the Bible says that could not be proved by science. Thus Jesus was not really resurrected from the dead, Mary was no virgin, all of Jesus’ miracles were redacted into the text in the third century, … sex outside of marriage was good and healthy, drugs are fun… hell does not exist as a place of just punishment. My youth pastor tried to talk me out of my faith by reading Nietzsche visiting the Edgar Cayce center in Virginia Beach.

    So I approach this topic not as a “recovering Calvinist” (I truly wonder how many who claim this have actually read “The Institutes”) but as one “on guard” towards the slippery slope of a prejudicial “love only” reading of Scripture. I am with you on your hermeneutic of Love. God is Love and His Love is always good. YES! God revealing Himself to me as Father in 2012 during our sabbatical year was absolutely life changing. This is what I preach and teach today everywhere I’m given opportunity. It’s something God is doing today, revealing Himself as Papa. But even given this call on my life now, my life altering experience of God flooding my heart with His love in 2012 (and continuing today), I dare not let this experience and revelation prejudice my view of Scripture to the degree that I deny anything of what it actually says.

    The liberal/progressive theology of today was birthed when 19th century theologians like Ruldolf Bultman and Paul Tillich asserted their intellectual “competence” over the doctrine of the Holy Spirit’s inspiration of Scripture. They denied the veracity of the text, implied they “knew better” than such “primitive understandings” of God and led the world’s mainline Protestant ministers then their churches by the thousands down the path of unbelief and subsequent rebellion and apostasy. I chose, as a 17 year old, to resist this trend and follow the path of faith and obedience. After graduating college with a degree in biopsychology I chose an “evangelical” seminary, Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, to train for ministry. There we were taught well the the whole of Scripture, that every word in every book, Old and New Covenants, are divinely inspired. And if inspired by the Holy Spirit, “without error” or “infallible” and thus authoritative over my heart, mind, and soul.

    So, back to the topic of hell as a “place” and not just a condition of one’s soul. As a Christian, I am required to go to the whole of Scripture, to references that even challenge what I want to hear, and obediently submit my heart and mind to what the Bible says, trusting that this word is indeed Father’s Word. Biblical obedience is willful “hearing”, both the Hebrew and the Greek words mean “Listen, Hear”. So when I don’t understand something or simply just don’t like it, I must stop, look, and listen to what my Father is saying and ask Him to reveal its meaning, not just for me but the text’s implication to everything happening in our world today. Sometimes I am stupefied. Frequently awed, and always humbled. And our Good Father speaks.

    So, does hell exist as a physical place of eternal punishment? To find an answer to the question I have to be willing to submit my prejudicial assumptions, be they “loving” as I think they may be, or “judgmental,” as others may accuse me, to the whole of Scripture. Since I don’t know my Bible nearly as well as some great Bible believing scholars, I pulled off my shelf this morning Wayne Grudem’s seminal text “Systematic Theology: An Introduction to Biblical Doctrine,” Intervarsity Press, 1994, 1264 pages. I wish I had this text while in seminary in 1983 as it is perhaps the best text out there on topics like this. Chapter 56 “The Final Judgment and Eternal Punishment” is worth the cost of the book by itself (I paid $39.95 some time ago). It’s compelling, true to the Biblical text, and his scholarship and faith are admirable.

    Is hell a place? Just look up the word hell: “Gehenna (fire) or “Tartarus” in Greek and see it is a place one can be “thrown into,” e.g. Mat 18:9 if a person causes a “little one” to stumble. Even in the Sermon on the Mount Jesus refers to hell as a place (Mat 5.22,27, 30), and in the Greek word “Tartarus” in 2 Peter 2:4. Do a study on the word “punishment” or the word “judgment” or “fire” and perhaps the idea of what is “final justice”. It’s all over the New Testament, The Gospels, Paul, and Revelation. Jason, you are right, this is not a topic we like today and those who preach “hell” to inspire fear and obedience in their churches may well not be motivated by love. But we do need to always read the whole Bible, not just the parts we like.

    Two final thoughts. First, ask God what He wants us to know today, what He is revealing to you about Himself right now. Then read His Word. Recently I started reading an unmarked translation of the Bible I used many years ago. I set on my side table my favorite Bible with all my highlighting and marginal notes, so now I will look at each sentence and paragraph without a “highlighted” prejudice. And wow, I see Father’s love all over the entire Bible, not just in John now. New eyes.

    But second, maybe think twice about your (and my) aversion to anything that suggests “judgment”. On July 8, 1741in Enfield, Massachusetts, a preacher named Jonathan Edwards preached a message entitled “Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God.” This title is repulsive to many today but his sermon ignited the fire of what is now known as the First Great Awakening in America, the spiritual revival that is attributed to our nation be founded as a Christian republic. Upon hearing Edwards explicit description of hell being read in monotone, people fell to the ground, repenting of their gross immorality and/or lukewarm hearts, and literally hundreds of thousands became believers in few short years. Today, too many “grace” preachers are falling away from their faith… it’s all over Christian news right now. Why? Perhaps they very warnings in Scripture about sin and judgment have been so overlooked that Satan is enticing many into sin, and consequent unbelief.

    Let’s humble ourselves and come to God’s Word, our Loving Father’s love letter, and trust Him for what we don’t understand or just have a hard time receiving. After all, a Loving Father does discipline his children (Hebrews 12) and it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace

    • Jason Clark

      I am so thankful for you Allen. I so enjoyed our lunch together a couple of weeks back. The love you and Deborah walk in is stunning. I am always richer for connecting with you both!

      Thankful for how you think and the wisdom you steward. Also thankful for your journey, your story adds depth, grace, and wonder to every conversation, including conversations on hell 🙂

      My favorite thing you wrote was “when I don’t understand something or simply just don’t like it, I must stop, look, and listen to what my Father is saying and ask Him to reveal its meaning, not just for me but the text’s implication to everything happening in our world today. Sometimes I am stupefied. Frequently awed, and always humbled. And our Good Father speaks.”


      At the end of the day, that’s what these articles and conversations are about. That each of us would know how to access our Father’s lap, know how to be loved and love, know how to ask Him the questions for ourselves; that each of us would grow in our one of a kind friendship with Jesus!

      My greatest desire is that anyone reading anything I have written would encounter their Father and know His measureless affection. I know that’s your heart as well!

      When it comes to any of the “deep end” theological questions such as hell, salvation, grace or anything else, I often feel immensely unqualified. Believe it or not, I am often timid and hesitant to write and post. Especially on controversial ideas like God’s sovereignty or hell.

      It’s not that I am insecure or think I’m stupid, it’s that, outside of the Bible, most of the books you mentioned, I haven’t read them. And to be honest, at this point in my life, knowing how I learn, it’s likely I never will.

      I am not belittling systematic theological studies. I am eternally grateful for the men and women who write with such focus, passion, and vigor.

      Some of my best friends are brilliant academic and relational theologians; deep thinkers with a capacity, desire, and grace to study the Hebrew and Greek, to spend their lives on historical context, to parse through scripture with analytical precision.

      These friends often encourage, challenge, and disagree with me. I am thankful for them.

      Because of such faithful academic Biblical pursuits and thanks to technology, I am able to click a button and know the cultural context of Abraham’s day. That’s amazing! My life and writing have been greatly enriched because of it.

      That said, when it comes down to it, I can’t play in that playground. Literally, I don’t have the capacity, desire or grace.

      Capacity – I have lived in our house for 14 years but couldn’t name more than 10 roads in our area. I can get you anywhere, but don’t ask me the name of the road we’re traveling.

      Desire – Because of how I’m wired and my upbringing, if the information isn’t directly connected to a relational experience, I’m simply not interested.

      Grace – If it doesn’t reveal and empower identity, no thanks.

      For me, if God’s nature has to be read in a book for it to be understood, I am in deep trouble. I’m not knocking scholarly pursuit, but I would like to suggest that for some of us, it has to be simpler. For me it certainly does.

      I’d also like to suggest that when it comes to the “deep end,” most of us just need to know how to sit in Dad’s lap.

      I love the Bible! I read it, almost every day. I’ve been reading it since my early teen years. However, when it comes to reading it for knowledge or to develop clear thoughts about topics like hell, I often feel like how you feel, noted by your comment just before suggesting some really good books.

      You wrote, “Since I don’t know my Bible nearly as well as some great Bible-believing scholars…”

      Exactly! I also truly believe my Bible, but unfortunately, I am no scholar.

      What’s crazy to me is, there are so many scholars who would say they believe the Bible and yet so often strongly disagree on the interpretation.

      Why does this happen? I think it’s because no matter how much a person believes the Bible, everyone has a God lens, and that God lens is everything.

      Thanks to my “deep end” friends (you included), I understand that most scholars use the word hermeneutic to describe their God lens or method of interpretation. I also understand that most scholars would consider their hermeneutic Biblical. That is to say, they use the Bible to interpret what God is like.

      I think that’s why there are so many Biblical scholars with vastly different interpretations regarding the nature of God.

      I too have a God lens. I’ve grown into it over the last decade. It’s been brilliantly life-giving and transformative.

      My methodology of interpretation is simple “God is Jesus and He looks like love.” He can be found everywhere in the Bible but you discover Him best in the Gospels. Above all, He is perfectly revealed in Jesus on a cross.

      Any thought that would undermine this lens, even if it’s Biblical, in my mind, is untrue.

      I interpret the whole Bible through Jesus on a cross, reconciling the whole earth to Himself, forgiving us and not holding our sin or sense of separation against us.

      I may be doing it wrong, but as I mentioned, I’m no scholar.

      When it comes to hell, or any other “deep end” theological question, for me, it has to be this simple – Jesus loves us perfectly and nothing we can do changes that.

      When it comes to hell, I’d say it this way. “God is always good, and He is the relentless redeemer.” For me, if I can’t explain hell to my 13-year-old daughter, it’s probably not something I should be writing about.

      The bottom line, my hermeneutic makes no room for Jesus as a punisher. And my thoughts on hell are simply the product of my God lens.

      I believe Jesus revealed God’s ultimate thoughts on punishment while on a cross. “Father forgive them, they know not what they do.” I believe this is similar to when Jesus rebuked the disciples who wanted to send fire down on a city, “You know not what spirit you are of!”

      I understand there are plenty of scriptures that suggest God is a punisher, but I am not looking at them through that lens so I don’t see it that way.

      Again, I may be doing it wrong, but so far so good 🙂

      But seriously, if there is one thing that has been constant in my life it’s this, every time I think I get how good God is, He is infinitely better. Every time I think I understand the wondrous depth of His redemption, or grace, or hope, or love, I find I hardly have a clue.

      I am only 45 and my lens continues to be formed by His love, by Jesus in scripture, and through brilliant friends like yourself. I imagine I will continue to develop thoughts on the subject of hell for the rest of my life. And I imagine they will be even more radical than the thoughts I have now – yay God!

      Love ya man!
      Thanks for sharing.

    • Carole Stitt

      Allen—I just wrote a comment which appreciated your reply to Jason. Check it out

  3. Clark Howell

    Jason, I love your heart. Too, I appreciate Allen Kemp’s response. This post is more an appeal to reason than an exegesis of the relevant scriptures. Similarly, the NT Wright video is a position appealing to history not exegesis. Of course, that’s an effort out-sized for a short blog post. Nevertheless, it is the searching of the scripture, led by the Guide in All Truth, that must rule our understanding. Where there are truths misunderstood, we must come at them with reason and history and trust of our teachers subjugated.

    Hopefully, your post will make us all seek Holy Spirit for the truth irrespective of what position we hold beforehand.

    Blessings in overflow, Clark.

    • Jason Clark

      Love you, man, thankful for you today!

  4. Carole Stitt

    I think Allen makes a great point that may have been missed. The Bible is an extremely reliable source in aiding one’s growing understanding of the nature of God. As he is a graduate of Gordon-Conwell, he indubitably understands ‘hermeneutics, systematic theology, christology and exegesis’. Allen is also a student of Dr. J. Vernon Magee with that ‘Stop, Look and Listen’!! Lol.

    No, I think any movement w/in the christian rank that opposes the notion of eternal torment (or a designated place for this) contradicts scripture.

    That is Allen’s point. Adherence to the whole word of God. That is Allen’s gentle warning…even. Allen is not disputing the Love of God; he is merely concerned with scriptures being twisted, omitted or disregarded. Nobody wants to ‘preach another gospel’ and sleep well at night???

    Incidentally, hell and death are not the final repository for those who refuse God’s record of his son—hell and death are cast into the Lake of Fire. (See Revelation)

    One can interpret these unpleasant thoughts any way they see fit. I, however, would not sleep well at night if added or subtracted anything to the 66 books of the Bible written by the Triune God, through the scratchy quills of men.

    Revelation 22:18 & 19:

    “For I testify unto everyman that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book (or tree) of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

    Verse 20: He which testifieth these things, saith, ‘Surely I come quickly’. Amen. Even so, come Lord Jesus.

    A Boom Boom Boom 💥!!!!!

  5. Bill Bennot

    Hi Jason,

    Thank you for opening up some great dialogue. I thoroughly enjoy ready them.

    Although, I could dive into a lot of scriptural proof for eternal judgment, I am like you as far as “Jesus reconciling all things to Himself.” He paid for us all, and I believe He should receive us all. He wants none to perish, so that is my lens in how I see Jesus and people.

    But I had an experience recently that shook me to my core, and it left me with no doubt of the horrors of stepping into a Christ-less eternity. I know you have heard of near-death experiences. Those ‘beyond the veil’ encounters that do happen to people. They are too numerous and too similar to not be true.

    Well I had one, but it was not the nice one. While in the hospital recovering from surgery I experienced a piece of the darkness that awaits every unbeliever after they die. I can’t go into the details right now, but I can say, once you are there, human volition, character, accomplishments, wealth, etc mean absolutely nothing. You are utterly powerless against the darkness and the demonic hoard. I have never seen or felt more fear in my entire life. Think of your worst nightmare and multiply it by forever. The only thing that stands after death, is Christ in us, with us and for us.

    I would love to think that even an unbeliever has Jesus waiting for them with a choice, but that’s not what I saw or experienced.

    I am not trying to refute your convictions about what happens after physical death, but I know what awaits the unbeliever, and it is frightening beyond belief.

    Lots of love to your wonderful family Jason. You are a real treasure.

    • Jason Clark

      Hey, Bill!

      So good to hear from you, man, and to see your smiling face on social media!

      Thanks for sharing. I imagine there is so much more you could share. I imagine you have profound and deep insights into the love of God because of the last year. It would be incredible to grab a lunch as we have in the past, it would be great to hug you and see you in person!

      “The only thing that stands after death, is Christ in us, with us and for us.” I love that. It resonates deeply.

      I imagine we aren’t far apart when it comes to this subject. Your description of your experience resonates. I feel I have come across this darkness (though not in the same circumstances) and imagine many others have as well.

      I believe hell exists. Whenever I write about it I am focused on the nature of God and the cross. And I am interested in the nature of trust and intimacy and reconciliation and repentance and transformation and how to help people experience this wholeness.

      And whenever I challenge thoughts on hell, I am addressing the older brother abuses done by leaders, centuries past, and today, who use that darkness either to condemn or as a manipulative tool to ramp up fear, shame, and condemnation in order to control.

      Below is something I pulled from an article written a couple of years ago that helps clarify what I am chasing down…


      When it comes to being a son or daughter in our Father’s house, we only have one option. It’s to celebrate the forgiving, redeeming nature of our Father. Always. And when I write “always,” I mean now and for all eternity. For me, anything else is sinking sand.

      For the sake of our hearts, I think a really healthy position believers should probably have when it comes to our thoughts regarding whether redemption is available after this life is, “I don’t know, but I sure hope so.”

      Anything less, and we, like the older brother, are in danger of positioning our affections against God’s relentless love nature; a nature Jesus so clearly revealed on the cross.

      I understand this article is strong. I understand the subject of hell is a sensitive one. I get the fact that many Christians believe that they have hell figured out. Many are biblically convinced of their thoughts, and that’s cool. But this article isn’t about what happens to us after we die, it’s about our hearts being soft right now.

      Because, while I have reasons to believe that God is a relentless redeemer both in this life and the next (see past articles), I don’t know what it looks like. And the fact is, neither does anyone else.

      What I do know is this: I am not responsible for the nature of God, I am responsible for my affections.

      If our hearts don’t truly desire to see all our brothers and sisters “in the party” in this life and the next, it’s past time to repent. If the idea of God redeeming us throughout eternity offends, it’s past time to repent. If we are bothered by the idea that His goodness is beyond our ability to understand, it’s past time to repent.

      We may disagree, but let’s do so with great love, affection, and hope for all who are lost; let’s do so believing that our Father “is not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.” (2 Peter 3:9)

      Jesus said He did not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them (Luke 9:56). So for me, at the end of the day, “I don’t know, but I sure hope so” is in beautiful alignment with the heart of Christ.

      And that’s why I would recommend this be every believer’s heart position regardless of our questions, thoughts, or even conclusions.

      Because, at the end of the day, while we may not all be in agreement about what we think happens in the next life, we can all agree on this; our Father is hosting a party for His kids.

      And we can also all agree that there’s only one place to be when our Father hosts a party.

      And it’s not outside throwing a hissy…”

      Here’s the link to the full article.
      Here’s a link to another short article about hell along the lines of this response.

      Also, after we were kicked out of our church for this article, “Does Hell Exist,” I wrote a response article to give clarity to what we believed and hoped. I think that article will further clarify my heart 🙂

      Love ya and the whole family!


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icuTalks / End The Stigma With-In The Church

Last month I had the opportunity to speak at icuTalks on the topic of Ending Stigma in the Church.

I was incredibly honored and took all 26 of my 25 minutes to talk about a reconciling God in a church that often perceives him through the lens of retribution. If you’re curious about the new book I am finally wrapping up, Leaving & finding Jesus, this is a good introduction.

But What About Sin?

Yes, sin is a big deal, and our job as Christians is to remove the condemnation that is associated with it, not add to it. We are invited to, like Christ, release kindness, and walk people into freedom. “There is, therefore, no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus…” (Rom 8:1) That’s us! And I would add, ‘therefore there should be no condemnation from those who are in Christ Jesus.’ We can’t give away what we don’t have…

Rethinking God

Humanity had “God-boxes” and Jesus kept blowing them up. Humanity was convinced God was one way and Jesus kept contradicting those paradigms.

A Simple Theology

I believe God is always saying one thing: “I love you.” And He always follows up with a question, “do you believe me?” What would our lives look like if we could answer this one question that God is always asking?


In this conversation Leif, Mark Appleyard, and Jason dive into Leif’s new book, The Love Awakening. Through personal stories, the guys discuss the powerful, supernatural Baptism of Love that breaks off shame, affirms identity, and reveals the unconditional love of the Father. This is a life-giving conversation around union, evangelism, and the miraculous.

And Before the Coffee is Fully Brewed…

I used to try and love God, now I just let Him love me

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