Derek and Sarah Turner

Jesus Is Perfect Theology








Derek and Sarah Turner, pastors of River Church Charlotte, share generously and candidly on the goodness of God, Jesus as perfect theology, reading scripture with a hermeneutic of Love, soul care, inclusion, rethinking our understanding of vengeance and wrath and the patient trusting journey into transformation.

“It’s not about the quantity of faith but the placement of faith. In John 17 Jesus prayed that we would believe that our Father loved us as much as our Father loved Him. If we put our faith in anything, let’s put it in Jesus’ prayer being answered.”

A few references noted in this interview:
Transforming Fellowship by Chris Coursey
A More Christlike God by Brad Jersak
Emotionally Healthy Spirituality Podcast with Peter Scazzero

For more information on Derek and Sarah or River Church Charlotte, go to

Podcast intro and outro music by Wilde Assembly

Thomas Floyd is a psychotherapist that loves to chat about the intersectionality of faith and psychology. He passionately pursues the belief that being spiritually mature means also being emotionally mature. He lived in Chile for the first 11 years of his life and now lives with his wife Sarah in North Carolina. He is an enneagram enthusiast, a theology junky, and a sports FANATIC.

Jason Clark is a writer, speaker and lead communicator at A Family Story ministries. His mission is to encourage sons and daughters to grow sure in the love of an always-good heavenly Father. He and his wife, Karen, live in North Carolina with their three children.


  1. Derek Turner

    Thanks for having us. Loved every minute of it!

    • Jason Clark

      Oh man, it was so good. Getting great feedback as well, lots of folks encouraged! Love you guys!

  2. Bess

    Refreshing to hear grounded pastors who are receiving broader understanding through people like Dr. Baxter Kruger and Brad Jersak. All creation is groaning waiting for our revelation as sons and daughters of God. It happens through teachers like that and discussions like this! It’s all about the love of the Trinity that we are included and others are, too. Thank you for this interview! As my husband and I are relatively new to Charlotte, am excited to find more extended family! Hope to meet you, Derek and Sarah, soon! Thanks, Jason and Thomas!

    • Jason Clark

      Hey Bess,

      It was incredible to talk with Derek and Sarah with such openness. I am thankful for their friendship and leadership! I agree, all creation is groaning for sons and daughters to know who they are! And it’s happening!

      Welcome to the Charlotte area, it would be wonderful to meet! Feel free to reach out, Would love to know where you’re from and your story.
      Thanks for the encouraging words – blessings!


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