S.01 EPISODE 11 (part 1) / And I Am In You…

“We have one quest in this life, to find out what the Father has known about us since the foundation of the earth and agree with Him. ..”

Bill Vanderbush gives incredible insight into what new covenant looks like, our inclusion in the family through both being adopted and reborn and the reckless grace of God. Bill also talks about how understanding our inclusion in the family leads to a life of hope joy and doing the stuff Jesus did. On earth, as it is in heaven is an invitation to create with God.

S.01 EPISODE 12 (part 2) / Reckless Grace

Bill talks about how COVID19 may play a role in realigning our understanding of what the church is and how the gospel has been reduced down to its purest most basic form, Jesus. Evangelism has been relegated to getting people to come to church. But it’s way better than that.

Bill spoke about this pandemic and how believers can powerfully navigate fear. Perfect love casts out fear… and when we become enamored with the gospel, when we become aware of the totality of the finished work of the cross, we will love in a sacrificially powerful way. This is Reckless Grace. Grace empowers us to live powerfully on earth like it is in heaven and do the stuff Jesus did!

Finally, Jason and Bill discussed how to release a new thought or challenge an old thought within the church; how to respond instead of reacting and how to navigate conflict online.

Favorite Quotes
“How do we deal with fear, the only way is to move in the opposite spirit. Love.”
“You can’t threaten a Christian with death.”

Favorite Tacos
Tijuana Flats

Jason Clark is a writer, speaker and lead communicator at A Family Story ministries. His mission is to encourage sons and daughters to grow sure in the love of an always-good heavenly Father. He and his wife, Karen, live in North Carolina with their three children.


  1. Tineke Ziemer

    Wrote down lots of great notes from this. Thank you! I love that line, “What’s the gospel in one sentence? God’s up to something and he wants you in on it!” So fun! What a fun Father.

    • Tineke Ziemer

      Oh whoops, just realized I commented on part 2 and that quote was from part 1. I haven’t got to part 2 yet. I’m looking forward to that tomorrow.

    • Jason Clark

      Ha, I love that line as well, hopeful and inclusive!


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