In this podcast, Katie Skurja talks about discovering our humanity in the image of God, shame and behavior, grace and identity, paradox and spiritual and emotional maturity, freedom, and intrinsic authority.

Katie runs a private practice in North Plains, Oregon, has a Masters in Marriage and Family Therapy as well as a Masters of Spiritual Direction. She speaks with grace and great authority, we absolutely loved this conversation!


“To except our humanity is to have relationship with God. We make the gospel about denying our humanity and that is the exact opposite direction we should go.”

“Inside the presence of God there is only room for one God, so when you want to be God that takes you outside of relationship.”

“When we teach a theology that is lacking paradox it creates and adds to (our sense of) shame…”

“Shame is the most powerful force on the planet, other than grace.”

“If your God isn’t expanding, you’re stuck.”

For more on Katie Skurja and Imago Dei Ministries


Podcast intro and outro music by Wilde Assembly



Below are the videos  we referenced in this podcast.


Brent Lokker
Thomas Floyd is a psychotherapist that loves to chat about the intersectionality of faith and psychology. He passionately pursues the belief that being spiritually mature means also being emotionally mature. He lived in Chile for the first 11 years of his life and now lives with his wife Sarah in North Carolina. He is an enneagram enthusiast, a theology junky, and a sports FANATIC.

Jason Clark is a writer, speaker, and lead communicator at A Family Story ministries. His mission is to encourage sons and daughters to grow sure in the love of an always-good heavenly Father. He and his wife, Karen, live in North Carolina with their three children.

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  1. Lorene Hochstetler

    Excellent podcast 👍


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BRIAN ZAHND / Jesus Is The Interpretation

The Bible cannot be the foundation we build upon, the foundation is Jesus. Brian Zahnd talks on how to approach scripture, American Nationalism, Trump’s Bible photo Op during the George Floyd protests, equality, and contemplative prayer in this brilliant and transformative Podcast.

Katie Skurja / Discovering Our Humanity

In this podcast, Katie Skurga talks about discovering our humanity in the image of God, shame and behavior, grace and identity, paradox and spiritual and emotional maturity, freedom, and intrinsic authority.


Brad discusses high Christology and gives insight into how our early church fathers thought about God and how they read and interpreted scripture. He also discussed what the wrath of God means in scripture.


What if control is a flawed word to describe God’s sovereignty? What if there is an infinitely better word, a greater revelation, love!

Jason and Thomas discuss the sovereignty of God and focus on Jason’s book, God Is Not In Control. God’s love is what defines His sovereignty. And God’s love is revealed through the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus.


In part 2, Paul dove into scripture and how to read it for an encounter. He highlighted that Jesus is what God is like. He also discussed how God gives us grace for today and how to live in this moment.


Early Church Fathers, the formation of the New Testament, how to approach scripture, Starwars, Puff Daddy, The Police, and the vast difference between retributive justice and restorative justice. Mako Nagasawa’s insights and generous communication were insightful, hopeful and transformative.

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