Separation theology has been woven into nearly every teaching we have in the church. It’s in how we approach scripture, personal devotion, how to approach relationship, leadership, pastoring, prophecy, evangelism… on and on the heresy of separation is the “leaven in the dough” of our faith. The delusion that God abandons his creation is a foundational lie that must be dug up.

In this first episode of season two, Jason and new host Derek Turner dive into the wonder of what Jesus revealed about our Father and humanity through the cross and resurrection.


“I love the WORD of God. I love my Bible too.” Derek

“All truth is rooted in ‘God is good.’” Derek

“The greatest heresy on the planet is that God abandons…” Jason

“If there is separation in the nature of God, there is separation in us…” Jason

Podcast intro and outro music by Wilde Assembly

Derek Turner Follower of Jesus, in love with @sarahjturner, father to @caro.turn & @kaaatters, owner of Milo, pastor @rivercharlotte. Amazed by Grace

Jason Clark is a writer, speaker, and lead communicator at A Family Story ministries. His mission is to encourage sons and daughters to grow sure in the love of an always-good heavenly Father. He and his wife, Karen, live in North Carolina with their three children.


  1. Tineke Ziemer

    “I don’t know how to be human without the one who became human for me.” This is so true. I was just saying this to a friend the other day who was questioning whether God or Jesus even exist. And after affirming that as a legit and important question to ask, I said, “I just have to believe he exists because I wouldn’t know what Love looks like without him.” There was more to it, but that stood out to me listening to your podcast today, along with about 10 pages of other things I wrote down.

    Thank you, Jason and Derek, for taking the time to do this valuable work. You are treasures. We are surely missing Thomas, he left big shoes to fill, but Derek, you are already blessing us with your beautiful insights, especially the “belonging before becoming.” Powerful!

    Thanks guys, my friends and I will be waiting on the edge of our seats for episode two. Our little Taco fan club is growing here in Canada! Haha

    • Derek Turner

      Thanks for the kind words, Tineke! It’s an honor to be doing this with Jason. Praying for you!

    • Jason Clark

      “I don’t know what love looks like without Him,” that’s a beautifully safe foundation to build upon – love that.

      Canadians for Tacos!

      …And BBQ? 🙂


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