Naeem Fazal, founding pastor of Mosaic Church, and author of Ex-Muslim, talks about deconstruction or reimaging God. Naeem talks about the importance of being able to recognize God outside of our personal context, how to view sin, how to approach scripture, and a beautiful gospel that’s not just about the Jesus who saves but about the Jesus who is restoring humanity and all creation.

QUOTES

“My whole life has been about reimagining God because I started off as a Muslim.”

“Our mission as Mosaic, (our church) is to reclaim the message of Jesus.”

“Not recognizing God out of context is the biggest sin of religious people.”

“We sometimes preach Jesus and preach the gospel to solve a particular kind of sin a particular type of problem.”

“We have sinner and saint, but God sees oppressed and free.”

“What Jesus was doing on the cross was not just saving us so we wouldn’t go to hell. It’s way bigger than that; it’s liberating us to live in this eternal Kingdom that can be accessed here and on the other side. He was restoring not just humanity, but all creation.”

Regarding scripture / “It’s an inspired tool that God has used to encourage my faith; it is not what I anchor my soul on.”

“Here’s what happens when you anchor your soul on the text. The text becomes sorcery. You say it a certain way to get what you want. So, these stories and conversations become like incantations that are used in Jesus’ name. People don’t get that, but that’s Harry Potter.”

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Derek Turner Follower of Jesus, in love with @sarahjturner, father to @caro.turn & @kaaatters, owner of Milo, pastor @rivercharlotte. Amazed by Grace www.rivercharlotte.com

Jason Clark is a writer, speaker, and lead communicator at A Family Story ministries. His mission is to encourage sons and daughters to grow sure in the love of an always-good heavenly Father. He and his wife, Karen, live in North Carolina with their three children.

3 Comments

  1. Carole

    Thought interesting when Naem, your podcast guest, discussed ‘anchoring your soul on the text ( of scripture )’ and ‘this text becomes sorcery’ and ‘people don’t get it but this Harry Potter.

    Didn’t your wife, Karen, recently say in her own podcast (think with Sarah) that she read the whole Harry Potter series to her son, and was so enthralled she procured the audio of the series to replay with her son when they go for walks.

    Yikes! According to Naem..that be a whole lotta sorcery??

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    • Jason Clark

      Hey Carole, Naeem wasn’t ripping on Harry Potter. Knowing him, I bet he loves the series haha. He was addressing our Western certainty, our dualistic, inerrant approach to scripture. As though the bible isn’t an invitation to a relationship but instead is a list of instructions or “spells” that can be magically applied to get what we want.

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  2. Tineke Ziemer

    This was a really enjoyable listen. Naeem has such a loving, fun way of representing LOVE. I was especially grateful that he mentioned owning a Bible being from a place of privilege. My friends and I have brought that up a few times in discussions, so it was refreshing to hear his perspective on it. Thank you for this great interview!

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