Daniel Grothe and the guys discuss his new book, The Power of Place, which speaks the sense of loneliness that many feel in today’s age of hypermobility and noncommittal wandering, reminding us of the ancient vow of stability and teaching us how we can lead a richer life of friendship, community, and purpose.

They also touched on the deconstruction movement within the church, how authoritarian leadership has wounded and undermined trust, and how healing and connection are available only where we practice the long game of family.


“We live in a world that is enamored with financial capital…What most people don’t think about is the thick layering of social capital.”

“If we have deep pockets but we don’t have social capital, we are poor.”

“As long as you’re protecting the machine, you’re missing the lonely who are out there…”

“The very worst wounds that happen to us are through the perverse laying on of hands.” I will go at your pace to earn your trust. If it takes ten years to lay hands and speak life, I got all the time in the world…”

“Can we make a conversational space; can we make the church of Jesus not (about) a platform to spout our certainties and tow the party line with our little tight theologies and recover the psalms of lament”

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Podcast intro and outro music by Wilde Assembly

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Derek Turner Follower of Jesus, in love with @sarahjturner, father to @caro.turn & @kaaatters, owner of Milo, pastor @rivercharlotte. Amazed by Grace www.rivercharlotte.com

Jason Clark is a writer, producer, and lead communicator at A Family Story ministries. His mission is to encourage sons and daughters to grow sure in the love of an always-good heavenly Father. He and his wife, Karen, live in North Carolina with their three children.


  1. Benjamin

    -True Wisdom is knowing the Lord-

    ‘Thus saith the Lord, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches: But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the Lord which exercise loving kindness, judgement and righteousness in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the Lord. Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will punish (visit upon) all them which are circumcised with the uncircumcised; Egypt, and Judah, and Edom, and the children of Ammon, and Moab, and all that are in the utmost corners, that dwell in the wilderness: for all these nations are uncircumcised, and all the house of Israel are uncircumcised in the heart’. —Jeremiah 9:23-26

    Romans chapter 2 in New Testament fleshes(!) out this circumcision business!!!

    This is interesting:

    “For the pastors are become brutish, and have not sought the Lord: therefore they shall not prosper, and all their flocks shall be scattered’. —Jeremiah 10:21

    Anybody experience a pastor like this? Jeremiah is a tremendous book and there is tons more relevant stuff applicable to our 21st Century mindset—I recko y’all read it through for yourselves. Don’t take my word for it…take His Word for it—lol!!!

    • Jason Clark

      Hey Benjamin,

      Thanks for sharing.

      I’m not sure I’m tracking with your thoughts. Jeremiah is a great book, but I’ve missed your application.

      As to abusive leadership, it’s heartbreaking how many have been hurt. As Daniel noted, spiritual abuse is one of the most traumatic experiences a person can walkthrough. I appreciated him recognizing and, as a pastor, apologizing on behalf of abusive leadership within the church.

      I have certainly experienced it and am thankful for God’s reconciling love that heals.

      Praying grace and life and wonder over you today!


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