John Crowder pulls from the different streams of the church to talk about Christilogical Trinitarian theology, grace, union, contemplative practice, intimacy, and mystical Christianity. John and Jason dive into the Cross, Western atonement theories, and the religious industry built upon separation; how Jesus is healing the human race. John describes a relationship with a person, Christ. He invites us to embrace mystery so we might discover that God looks like Jesus.


“People are grabbing the Trinitarian Father, this gospel message…”

“I saw the connection between the church mystics and post-Azusa Street Pentecostalism, it was the presence orientation that connected these streams.”

“We’ve pulled from a lot of different streams; I could see baby Jesus in the bathwater.”

“I think there is a merger happening that we got to get a hold of, a Christological, Trinitarian theology that is contemplative in its experience and employment.”

“The biggest problem in the church is separation thinking, between you and Jesus, and between Jesus and His Father”

“This idea that the Father is turning his back on the Son, that Jesus is the whipping boy for the Father’s wrath, this is preached as the gospel, an atonement theory, a twisted one at that, being preached as the gospel in the western church. These atonement theories are demonic in nature. (And) There’s almost no grid for what the cross means outside that…”

“What did not happen on the cross, which is a complete fabrication, a demonic fairy tale, the Trinity was not imploding on Itself…Jesus was healing the human race…”

“There have always been pluralities in the Godhead and He has always desired family”

“Religion builds an industry on the concept of separation.”

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Podcast intro and outro music by Wilde Assembly

Derek Turner Follower of Jesus, in love with @sarahjturner, father to @caro.turn & @kaaatters, owner of Milo, pastor @rivercharlotte. Amazed by Grace

Jason Clark is a writer, speaker, and lead communicator at A Family Story ministries. His mission is to encourage sons and daughters to grow sure in the love of an always-good heavenly Father. He and his wife, Karen, live in North Carolina with their three children.


  1. Tasha

    You guys, seriously….thank you for doing what you do. I listen to episodes of your podcasts multiple times over just to try and tattoo the truths they contain onto my heart. I have known God my whole life, but now I’m seeing that He really IS even better than what I thought. There’s so much more beauty to be discovered, and you guys are always right there helping me to do that. Thank you again, friends.

    • Jason Clark

      Hey Tasha,

      Thanks so much for the kind and encouraging words! I know well the beautiful journey of discovering a God who is better than I can imagine! Honored to be on it with you! Blessings!

  2. German

    I recently watched some of your videos as well as your last day at church of acts.
    While the power of just how much Jesus’s blood covers for us I feel is under estimated, I can’t get past scriptures where Christ Himself references judgment. I also notice a lot of “what this really means” statements from folks following some of the theology out there.
    I’m cautious to redefine or reword scripture.
    For the record I do believe in the gifts of the spirit and our relationship with Him here.


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