Faithfully Connected

with Derek Turner & Jason Clark








“Faith is a seed that is to be planted firmly in the love of God.” Atheism, politics, nationalism, identity, punishment, hell, evangelism, and the church, in this conversation Derek and Jason, dive into a faith that is not transactional and always relational. The guys talk about how it’s the power of kindness to change the world. This is a generous conversation between two friends who are becoming sure that God is like Jesus and always has been; two fellas rethinking what it means to be a friend of God.

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Derek Turner Follower of Jesus, in love with @sarahjturner, father to @caro.turn & @kaaatters, owner of Milo, pastor @rivercharlotte. Amazed by Grace

Jason Clark is a writer, speaker, and lead communicator at A Family Story ministries. His mission is to encourage sons and daughters to grow sure in the love of an always-good heavenly Father. He and his wife, Karen, live in North Carolina with their three children.


  1. Patty Wasylyna

    Really loved this podcast Jason!
    Phenomenal truths embedded in this conversation.
    Soaring on the freedom of being loved by God and the comfort of his desire for connection with ME.

    • Jason Clark

      Thanks, Patty!

      It’s life-enriching whenever I get a chance to connect with Derek.

      Praying grace and wonder over your day!

  2. Kelly


    I really love this podcast and share it frequently. I wanted to comment on this episode because of the thoughts about brunch church. My current community actually does this! We meet in a home sometimes in the morning for breakfast but mostly for dinner. Afterwards we share, sing, pray, listen, etc. it’s been such a refreshing, safe, and nurturing space for wholeness in our personal and collective walks. I absolutely validate these desires and thoughts for a more communal time of worship. Detaching our community from a more capitalistic model has freed a space for some huge paradigm shifts; it has created a space free from not only monetary biases, but also unhealthy hierarchy. It’s a larger conversation, but I just wanted to share!

    • Jason Clark

      Hey, Kelly,

      Thanks so much for the encouraging words!

      I love the community you described. Detaching from a more “capitalistic model,” love that articulation. Love the removal of anything transactional within community.

      I’m with you regarding removing unhealthy hierarchy!

      It is a larger conversation and I think so many are having it! Honored to be on the journey with you. Praying grace and life over you and your community.


  3. Tineke Ziemer

    Great convo, guys! Passion and warmth. It was fun to hear the spontaneous thoughts that this conversation sparked.


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Derek and Jason highlighted the connections being made on the Rethinking God with Tacos Facebook Group. The guys also discussed Derek’s new book, Make Room, a 21-day journey through the Gospel of John. Derek wrote this devotional to help strengthen our trust in our God’s unconditional love, melt fear from our hearts, and help us see ourselves through the eyes of our Father.

The conversation also touched on inerrancy and infallibility, seeing Jesus as the perfect theology, love being our guiding principle, worship songs that emphasize the finished work, and spiritual maturity.


Thomas Jay Oord shares about open relational theology; how it connects with the way we live and matches our deepest intuitions. The guys talked about a relational God who is genuinely loving, looks like Jesus, and walks through each day with us, impacting and impacted by our friendship.

Thomas describes an uncontrolling, loving God, that harmonizes with scripture. In this podcast, he dives into the subjects of hell, prayer, and evangelism all through the lens of open relational theology.


Trauma, pain, empathy like Jesus, and healing for the oppressed, misunderstood, lost, or broken; in this podcast David Tensen shares how we are loved and not alone. Addressing how shame and condemnation are compounded by religion, the guys talked specifically about abortion and the LGBTQ community with an invitation to love like Jesus, through our union with God and reconciliation.


Intimacy within marriage, the connection between intimacy and mutuality, the nature of trust, the definition of sex, addressing transactional vs relational thinking, dismantling obligation, addressing objectification and broken ideologies developed from Eph 5:22, “Wives submit to your husbands…” Sheila Gregoire practically rethinks sex so husbands and wives can experience intimacy, joy, and deeper connection.


Daniel Grothe and the guys discuss his new book, The Power of Place, which speaks the sense of loneliness that many feel in today’s age of hypermobility and noncommittal wandering, reminding us of the ancient vow of stability and teaching us how we can lead a richer life of friendship, community, and purpose.

They also touch on the deconstruction movement within the church, how authoritarian leadership has wounded and undermined trust, and how healing and connection are available only where we practice the long game of family.


Union, inclusion, sin, grace, the covenants, a very high view of Jesus and humanity, and biblical immortality, Tommy Miller shares about his new book, Deathless. Tommy is passionate about seeing the local Church equip sons to look like their Father and create atmospheres that look like heaven, and it’s evident in this revelatory conversation.

Deathless” is a thought-provoking exploration of the concept of biblical immortality, and the guys have a brilliant conversation unpacking this thought.

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