“Eternal life is not on a timeline, it is the ever-present now.”

Wm Paul Young, the author of The Shack, talks with Lloyd and Jason Clark about eternal life, an authentic friendship with our Father where we are free to live in the ever-present now. Union, peace, grace, expectancy, trust, facing our fear, the incarnation, death, writing for the one, and stories about Pauls’s friends on death row and the Shack movie, this is an authentic and vulnerable conversation.

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Jason Clark is a writer, speaker, and lead communicator at A Family Story ministries. His mission is to encourage sons and daughters to grow sure in the love of an always-good heavenly Father. He and his wife, Karen, live in North Carolina with their three children.


  1. Shary Hauber

    Thank you. Paul I love your living in the present since the first time I met you at the MK Safety Net Conference in Chicago. So often I live both in the past and the future instead of now. Through grieving the lost of not having a bond with my missionary parents I have found the good they did, and the love they had for me. I am free and learning how to live free.
    Thank you Jason for this interview. I will subscribe.

    • Jason Clark

      I so loved Paul’s insight into future tripping – so good! I’ve applied this podcast conversation practically several times over the last week with myself, my kids, and friends.

      Thanks for the encouragement.


  2. Ruth

    The image of the shack on the cover of the book of the same name, is where I am – frozen, unable to shift out of my lack of trust in God. This podcast has inspired me and challenged me to rethink EVERYTHING about my understanding of the love and nature of God! And it has also led me to binge on Restoring the Shack as well.

  3. Tineke

    wooohoooo! I’m baaaack getting caught up on everything I’ve missed. This was a beautiful and heart-lifting conversation. Three of my favourite voices of comfort.

    • Jason Clark


      I’ve been a little absent myself, been, head down, working on the book.

      Loved every second of this conversation!

      • Tineke

        Hope it’s all going well and you are seeing the light at the end of the tunnel!


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