There Is No "Us and Them" at the Crosswith Jason Clark
This podcast highlights Jason’s book, Leaving and finding Jesus, where he writes about his deconstructing faith journey. The book is Jason’s Emmaus Road discovery of a love that is reconciling all creation; a journey where he’s awakening to a burning heart while leaving every Jesus who won’t lay His life down for His friends.
This podcast features a message Jason gave at an icuTalks where he addresses trauma within the church. He confronts the myth of separation with the truth that absolutely nothing, not life or death, powers or authorities, not present or future, not our understandings, beliefs, systems, or actions, nothing separates us from the reconciling love of God.
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My favourite part is when you were listing all the Jesus’s you aren’t friends with anymore. haha! So on point!
Interestingly, almost a year and a half ago, I wrote a poem with a similar title as your book. It ended up being published in David Tensen’s book “The Saving I Need.” I think the theme of it somewhat relates to this episode and likely, the theme of your book too. Although it’s a bit more personal to my relationship with my dad, who has chosen to separate himself from me because of my being a “heretic” right along with ya, Jason! haha. Here is the poem if you’d like to read it:
Letting Go and Finding
I wonder why I always felt
the heaviness of your happiness?
Why did I carry your weight
on my tiny shoulders?
If you’re happy, I’m happy … or so I thought.
A little girl could never anticipate
all the ways you’d find
to be dissatisfied
or all the scriptures
you’d never hesitate to use
as weapons of mass destruction.
A child could never predict
that the only way
to remain in your love
was to disappear all together
and cease to e x i s t at all.
Follow in daddy’s footsteps, they said.
So, I tried to bleed out
all that wasn’t right
by cutting my own flesh
but little did I know
you’d take it one step further
by cutting out your own flesh
and throwing me away.
A daughter of God,
made in His image,
can’t know her Father
when her father
has made god in his own image
and is not conformed to this world
but is transformed by the closing
of his mind.
What does your dad think? they ask.
Which dad? I wonder.
You? Who lives by the law
of stepping away?
or the step-dads who have
and walked each step
by my side?
I wonder why
it took half a lifetime
for me to let go
and let you go
to a Father’s lap
Wow! Just read your comment and THAT poem! It’s so powerful! And there is life and healing in every word.
Yes, that’s the book I’ve just finished. One in which we leave every Jesus (or Father) that isn’t laying His life down for His friends (humanity).
Leaving the god (father) who participates in separation and punishment and awakening to God/Love (Our Father) who never leaves and is reconciling the cosmos to Himself!
Honored to be on the journey with you and call you a friend.
Thanks for sharing.
Thank you! It was an honour for ME to be able to reference you and your dad and other loving “step-dads” in this poem who have taken my hand and led me to find Love as I know Him now.