MICOLE & BETHANY WALLACE / WHEN CHURCH HURT MEETS RADICAL HOPE
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What happens when church hurt, stage IV cancer, and deep theological reconstruction collide with an unshakable conviction that God is better than we’ve been told? In this deeply vulnerable conversation, Micole and Bethany Wallace share their remarkable journey—from serving fourteen years as worship pastors, to losing the ministry they thought would be home forever, to discovering Restoration City, walking through reconciliation with former friends, and facing Bethany’s stage IV breast cancer diagnosis.
Together they explore union with Christ, emotional healing, the impact of trauma on the body, the restoration of relationships, and the radical trust that grows when we stop pleading with God and begin to rest in His unwavering goodness. It’s a conversation about worship, healing, forgiveness, hope, and the long game of love that reminds us reconciliation is not just possible—it’s at the very heart of the gospel.
For more info
Restoration City Church – https://www.restorationcity.tv/
Micole and Bethany lead worship for our Rethinking God with Tacos Reunion. Join us this Sept (24-26) in Charlotte.
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/rethinking-god-with-tacos-reunion-2026-tickets-1986548921300?aff=oddtdtcreator
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Katherine Gantlett
https://katherinegantlett.org.uk/
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For more info on Thomas Jay Oord
https://thomasjayoord.com/
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More info on Lloyd Clark: https://afamilystory.org/lloyd/
Amazon: https://amzn.to/3NM5dO3
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WM. PAUL YOUNG, MARTIJN VAN TILBORGH & MATT SEIFRET / THE SACRED UNDOING
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More info on Wm. Paul Young:
https://wmpaulyoung.com/
More info on Martijn van Tilborgh:
https://www.martijnvantilborgh.com/
More on Matt Seifret:
https://graceorlando.com/about/
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PAUL GOLF / DAMASCUS: ENCOUNTER THE UNEXPECTED CHRIST
From Performance to Peace: How Beloved Identity Changes Everything
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For more info on Paul Golf:
https://championsofhope.co.uk/
To purchase Paul’s new book:
https://Damascusbook.com/
For more info on the From Presence to Encounter Weekend, Friday 29th & Saturday 30th May in Bristol:
https://championsofhope.co.uk/2026/02/02/from-presence-to-encounter/
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MARK CASTO / FROM PERFORMANCE TO PEACE: HOW BELOVED IDENTITY CHANGES EVERYTHING
In this conversation, Mark Casto shares his transformative journey from a life rooted in legalism and performance-based ministry to one centered on beloved identity and God’s unconditional love. He reflects on the challenges he faced, including panic attacks and the pressures of ministry success, and how these experiences led him to a deeper understanding of grace and the importance of family. Mark discusses the importance of community in spiritual growth and the challenges he faced while planting a church. Ultimately, he emphasizes the need to redefine success in ministry and the power of living in beloved identity.
Mark and Jason also explore themes of identity, self-discovery, and the journey of pastors in the context of a shifting church landscape. They discuss the importance of rediscovering one’s true self, the challenges faced by shepherds, and the need for a reformation within the church. The dialogue emphasizes the significance of questioning authority, embracing beloved identity, and the genius of redemption in the Christian journey. Ultimately, they highlight the importance of community, connection, and the freedom to be oneself in the pursuit of faith and purpose.
For more information on Mark:
https://markcasto.co/
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LISA WENTWORTH COUTUTRE / BELOVED UNION
In this engaging conversation, Lisa Wentworth Couture and Jason explore the profound themes of love, identity, and healing through the lens of union. Lisa shares her personal journey of discovering God’s love and the concept of ‘Beloved Union,’ emphasizing that salvation is not a transaction but a relational awakening to our true identity in Christ. They discuss the impact of shame, the importance of community support, and the inherent innocence within each person. The conversation culminates in a reflection on the simplicity of the gospel and the transformative power of truth and reconciliation.
For more info on Lisa:
https://www.facebook.com/lisa.wentworthcouture
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TREVOR MEIER / DISCOVERING A MORE BEAUTIFUL GOSPEL
In this shared podcast conversation, Trevor Meier (Naturally Supernatural) and Jason explore their spiritual journeys, focusing on sonship, the nature of God’s love, and the importance of community in faith. They discuss their experiences in ministry, the impact of revival movements, and the shift from a transactional view of God to an unconditional love view. The conversation highlights the process of detoxifying from fear-based theology and embracing a life of union with God, ultimately awakening to the measureless love that defines their faith. The guys also explore the transformative journey of understanding the gospel, emphasizing themes of inclusion, identity, and living from love. They discuss the shift from a sin-focused mindset to one of acceptance and freedom, highlighting the importance of community. The dialogue also addresses the significance of friendship with God and the joy of sharing these revelations with others, while incorporating the light-hearted theme of tacos as a metaphor for connection and community.
For more info on Trevor:
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@naturallysupernatural777/videos
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/trevor.meier.16
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JEROMY JOHNSON & DAVID ARTMAN / CHRISTIAN UNIVERSALISM: THE GOSPEL WITHOUT AN EXPIRATION DATE
Jeromy Johnson, from Slutty Grace Podcast, partners with RGWT Podcast to host David Artman and Jason Clark. The fella’s explore Christian universalism not as a fashionable doctrine or theological loophole, but as a coherent, compelling way of seeing God—one that only makes sense if Jesus truly reveals a God whose love is measureless, non-violent, and relentlessly restorative. They push back on dualism, punishment frameworks, and the “ticking clock” gospel (say the prayer before you die or you’re done), and instead explore union, consent, and restoration—a God who doesn’t “look away,” whose justice flows through love, and whose “aeonian” correction is about healing, not revenge. Along the way: early church fathers, time and eternity, “Dr. Evil vs Dr. Frankenstein” theology, parking-lot faith conversations, and a stunning story about meeting God at rock bottom—and wondering if that God is “allowed in church.”
For more info on Jeromy Johnson:
https://www.sluttygrace.com/
David Artman:
https://www.davidartman.net/
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