MICOLE & BETHANY WALLACE / WHEN CHURCH HURT MEETS RADICAL HOPE

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What happens when church hurt, stage IV cancer, and deep theological reconstruction collide with an unshakable conviction that God is better than we’ve been told? In this deeply vulnerable conversation, Micole and Bethany Wallace share their remarkable journey—from serving fourteen years as worship pastors, to losing the ministry they thought would be home forever, to discovering Restoration City, walking through reconciliation with former friends, and facing Bethany’s stage IV breast cancer diagnosis.

Together they explore union with Christ, emotional healing, the impact of trauma on the body, the restoration of relationships, and the radical trust that grows when we stop pleading with God and begin to rest in His unwavering goodness. It’s a conversation about worship, healing, forgiveness, hope, and the long game of love that reminds us reconciliation is not just possible—it’s at the very heart of the gospel.

For more info
Restoration City Church – https://www.restorationcity.tv/

Micole and Bethany lead worship for our Rethinking God with Tacos Reunion. Join us this Sept (24-26) in Charlotte.
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/rethinking-god-with-tacos-reunion-2026-tickets-1986548921300?aff=oddtdtcreator

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Podcast intro and outro music by Wilde Assembly

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In this conversation, Jason and his son, Ethan, sit down with Jim Lovejoy for an honest, deeply personal discussion about leaving behind performance-based Christianity and discovering the freedom of beloved identity. Jimmy shares his remarkable journey from Marine, coach, and revival-driven evangelist to a father, mentor, and voice calling people into rest, family, and the love of God. The guys explore the difference between striving and learning, revival and reformation, church as an event versus church as family, and why the future of the Kingdom may look more like fire pits, shared meals, and authentic relationships than polished stages. If you’ve ever wondered whether God’s love is bigger than your performance, this conversation offers hope, healing, and a fresh vision of what it means to follow Jesus.

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JAMES E. ALDERMAN & LARRY HUDSON / THE “GOSPEL” I GREW UP ON

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In this deeply honest and hope-filled conversation, Jason sits down with James E. Alderman and Larry Hudson to unpack “the gospel they grew up on” and the journey of waking up to a God who has never turned away. Together they explore fear-based religion, the Romans Road, transactional Christianity, healing, union, identity, and the radical discovery that God is better than we imagined.

Through stories of pastoring, deconstruction, friendship, prayer, suffering, healing, and grace, this episode becomes an invitation to stop striving for God’s affection and finally learn how to live loved. If you’ve ever wrestled with shame, separation, church hurt, or trying to earn what was already yours in Christ, this conversation will feel like fresh air for your soul.

For more info on James and Larry, go to:
https://www.youtube.com/@LettinTheLooseEndDrag/videos

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KATHERINE GANTLETT / WALKING THROUGH WINTER

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What happens when pain tears apart the version of God you were handed? In this deeply moving conversation, Jason sits down with author Katherine Gantlett to explore grief, miscarriage, breast cancer, hope, prayer, and the relentless goodness of God revealed in Jesus. Together they wrestle through questions of suffering, sovereignty, identity, union, and what it means to discover that God never abandoned us in winter seasons. From Brad Jersak and Paul Young to Psalm 22, Julian of Norwich, “Hygge for the Heartbroken,” and the healing power of presence, this episode is a raw and beautiful invitation to stop future-tripping, embrace the divine dance, and discover that even in the depths, Christ is deeper still.

Katherine Gantlett
https://katherinegantlett.org.uk/

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GODFREY BIRTILL / OTRAGEOUS GRACE

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In this episode, Jason sits down with singer/songwriter Godfrey Birtill for a raw, funny, and moving conversation about outrageous grace, creativity, religion, and the scandalous goodness of God. From psychiatric wards to worship conferences and presence-filled songs, Godfrey shares how divine encounters, playful creativity, and a deep understanding of grace transformed his life and music, inspiring a fresh perspective on God’s love and the power of song. He also shares the story behind lyrics that have carried healing to thousands. Together, the fella explore what happens when the gospel stops being about performance and starts becoming an awakening to union, love, and the realization that God has never been disappointed in us.

For more info on Godfrey:
https://www.godfreyb.com/

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C. BAXTER KRUGER / THE RANSOM OF JESUS: A DEEP DIVE INTO DIVINE JUSTICE

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This episode highlights Jason and Baxter Kruger’s show Across All Worlds. In this conversation, they explore the profound depths of the gospel, focusing on the ransom of Jesus, the restoration of justice, and the transformative love of God. The discussion challenges traditional views, emphasizing a Christological lens and the divine exchange that redefines our understanding of justice and sonship.

For more on Across All Worlds & Baxter Kruger:
https://acrossallworlds.com/
https://perichoresis.org/

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TOMMY MILLER & BOBBY SHANE BROOKS / THE CROSS, SONSHIP & WHY JESUS KEPT HIS SCARS

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What if the gospel is better than we thought? In this live conversation, Jason joins Tommy Miller and Bobby Shane Brooks at the Homecoming Conference to explore union, sonship, healing, friendship with God, and the awakening happening in the Church today. From stories of heartbreak and family to revelation and restored identity, to why Jesus kept His scars, this is a conversation about discovering that love is the long game.

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https://legacy-church-ohio.churchcenter.com/

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TULLIAN TCHIVIDJIAN / FRAGMENTS OF FREEDOM

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In this heartfelt and wide-ranging conversation, Jason talks with Tullian Tchividjian about his new book, Fragments of Freedom. They dive into radical grace, the beauty of an “unchained life,” and how true freedom in Christ dismantles religious performance, fear, and control. Filled with laughter, vulnerability, and passionate theology, the episode also celebrates music (especially Pink Floyd), recovery community, and the joy of simply enjoying the gift of life. It’s a refreshing, no-BS discussion about what happens when grace is allowed to be as disruptive and measureless as it really is.

For more on Tullian:
https://liveunorthodox.com/shop/fragments-of-freedom

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THOMAS JAY OORD / A SYSTEMATIC THEOLOGY OF LOVE

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In this enriching conversation, Jason Clark welcomes back theologian and author Thomas Jay Oord for a deep dive into uncontrolling love, open and relational theology, and his groundbreaking new book, A Systematic Theology of Love. They explore rethinking God’s power, the nature of love as the center of theology, navigating scripture through a Christological lens, mystery and reason, life after death, and why God is not in control but is perfectly loving. The discussion also touches on Oord’s spiritual nature film Seer, photography, and living in relational trust with a responsive God.

For more info on Thomas Jay Oord
https://thomasjayoord.com/

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SCHLYCE JIMENEZ / THE GOSPEL OF IMMORTALITY: RETHINKING LIFE, DEATH, & RESURRECTION

The Gospel of Immortality: Rethinking Life, Death, and Resurrection

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In this conversation, Jason Clark and Schlyce Jimenez step into one of the most provocative edges of the gospel: what if resurrection isn’t just a future promise—but a present reality? Moving beyond familiar language around union with God, they explore what Schlyce calls “the gospel of immortality,” a radical reimagining of life, death, and participation in Christ. Together, they wrestle with consciousness, the illusion of separation, and the possibility that humanity is awakening to a new way of being—one where love, not death, is the governing reality. This isn’t about neat answers; it’s an invitation to explore, to question, and to step into the mystery of what it means to live fully alive, right now.

For more info on Schlyce Jimenez:
https://www.schlyce.com/

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