FATHER KENNETH TANNER / VULNERABLE GOD

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Jason sits down with pastor and theologian Father Kenneth Tanner to explore his new book, Vulnerable God, and how Jesus reveals both what God is truly like and what it means to be fully human. From Jesus’ hidden years and tears at Lazarus’ grave to the cross and resurrection, Father Kenneth reframes divine power as vulnerability, humility, service, and self-giving love rather than hierarchy and control. Their conversation ultimately becomes an invitation to remember our true identity: made by Love, in the image of God, and invited to “be human as God is human”—carrying peace, forgiveness, and reconciliation into the world.

For more info on Father Kenneth Tanner:
https://kennethtanner.substack.com/
https://www.instagram.com/kentanner/

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What if Jesus didn’t come to change the Father’s mind about us—but to change our minds about the Father? Jason sits down with Chris Gore to explore his new book, How Good Is the Father, Really?, and the staggering goodness of God revealed in Jesus. From union and the cross to wrath, punishment, healing, and justice, Chris challenges the punitive God many of us inherited and invites us to discover a Father who is “always only good.” Along the way, they explore why the Father never turned His face from Jesus, how wrath might actually be love confronting everything that destroys the beloved, and why the gospel isn’t about escaping earth but bringing love, healing, hope, and life to the world right now. For more info on Chris: https://www.chrisgore.org/

For more info on Chris:
https://www.chrisgore.org/

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MICOLE & BETHANY WALLACE / WHEN CHURCH HURT MEETS RADICAL HOPE

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What happens when church hurt, stage IV cancer, and deep theological reconstruction collide with an unshakable conviction that God is better than we’ve been told? In this deeply vulnerable conversation, Micole and Bethany Wallace share their remarkable journey—from serving fourteen years as worship pastors, to losing the ministry they thought would be home forever, to discovering Restoration City, walking through reconciliation with former friends, and facing Bethany’s stage IV breast cancer diagnosis.

Together they explore union with Christ, emotional healing, the impact of trauma on the body, the restoration of relationships, and the radical trust that grows when we stop pleading with God and begin to rest in His unwavering goodness. It’s a conversation about worship, healing, forgiveness, hope, and the long game of love that reminds us reconciliation is not just possible—it’s at the very heart of the gospel.

For more info
Restoration City Church – https://www.restorationcity.tv/

Micole and Bethany lead worship for our Rethinking God with Tacos Reunion. Join us this Sept (24-26) in Charlotte.
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/rethinking-god-with-tacos-reunion-2026-tickets-1986548921300?aff=oddtdtcreator

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STEPHEN K DE SILVA / MONEY & THE PROSPEROUS SOUL

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Jason and Brooke Waters sit down with Stephen K. De Silva for one of the most practical conversations you’ll hear on identity, money, and the goodness of God. Together they explore why belief systems always outrun financial skills, how orphan thinking quietly sabotages our lives, why adoption is the heart of the gospel, and what it looks like to build a prosperous soul instead of merely accumulating wealth. If you’ve ever wrestled with fear, scarcity, performance, or wondered how union with the Father transforms the way you live, work, and steward what you’ve been given, this conversation offers a refreshing vision of freedom rooted in beloved identity rather than striving.

To learn more about Stephen
https://prosperoussoul.com/

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JOEL CLARK, TRICIA HALSEY & JEEVA RATNATHICAM / DEEPLY ROOTED STORIES

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In this special episode, Jason Clark introduces Deeply Rooted and the creative team behind the stories they have been quietly building for years—films, children’s books, and family-centered adventures designed to reveal the goodness of God, strengthen families, and awaken imagination. From the emotional feature film ALL IN to the wildly imaginative young adult book series I Changed the World, this conversation dives into storytelling, faith, creativity, healing, and why the stories we believe shape the people we become. It’s funny, vulnerable, inspiring, and full of behind-the-scenes insight into a growing movement of redemptive storytelling

For more info on the I Changed the World Books Series Offer, go to:
https://ichangedtheworldoffer.com/

For more information on Deeply Rooted, go to:
https://deeplyrootedstories.com/

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TOMMY MILLER & BOBBY SHANE BROOKS / THE CROSS, SONSHIP & WHY JESUS KEPT HIS SCARS

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What if the gospel is better than we thought? In this live conversation, Jason joins Tommy Miller and Bobby Shane Brooks at the Homecoming Conference to explore union, sonship, healing, friendship with God, and the awakening happening in the Church today. From stories of heartbreak and family to revelation and restored identity, to why Jesus kept His scars, this is a conversation about discovering that love is the long game.

For more information
https://legacy-church-ohio.churchcenter.com/

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JOHN CROWDER / GIFTING VS. CHARACTER? NO—IT’S A CHRISTOLOGY PROBLEM

Gifting vs Character? No—It’s a Christology Problem

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This conversation is a rich, honest exploration of deconstruction, charismatic culture, union with God, suffering, anger, and the actual shape of the gospel. Jason and John Crowder move past surface-level recent controversy and into the deeper issue beneath it all: separation-based theology. Rather than framing church failures as simply “gifting versus character,” they discuss Christology—whether our identity is rooted in union with Christ or in striving, performance, and spiritual hierarchy.

The guys unpack how revival culture, moralism, and celebrity Christianity often create blind spots that protect systems over people, while the true gospel restores beloved identity, co-suffering love, and embodied grace. The conversation ultimately returns to Jesus—not as a spiritual ladder to climb, but as the revelation that we are already included, already loved, and invited to participate in a kingdom shaped by self-giving love rather than power, outrage, or control.

More on John Crowder
https://www.johncrowder.net/

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LILY CROWDER / A MONDAY IN FEBRURAY

A Monday In February

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In this deeply honest and sacred conversation, Lily Crowder shares the unthinkable journey of losing her 15-year-old son to suicide—and the slow, tender trust that followed. The conversation explored grief, trauma, and the dismantling of the God we thought we knew, making space for a bigger, more present God who meets us in our darkest places. This episode isn’t about easy answers—it’s about learning to sit in pain, to feel what we’ve been taught to avoid, and to rediscover beauty in the smallest moments, like the sound of birds breaking through the silence. If you’ve ever faced loss, wrestled with faith, or wondered if healing is possible, this conversation offers language, companionship, and hope.

For more information about Lily
https://www.lilycrowder.com/

BRIAN ZAHND / UNION, PILGRIMAGE, & UNSEEN EXISTENCES

The Gospel Is Better Than You've Been Told: Union, Pilgrimage, and Unseen Existences

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What if heaven isn’t a distant destination — but a different dimension that’s closer than we think? In this conversation, Jason sits down with theologian, pastor, and author Brian Zahnd to explore his new book Unseen Existences — and what it means to recover a vision of transcendence in a world flattened by consumerism, politics, and pragmatism.

We talk about:

Why losing sight of heaven turns Christianity into partisan politics
The pilgrimage of the soul — and why nothing real happens fast
What Jesus weeping at Lazarus’s tomb tells us about God’s co-suffering with us
The prayer Brian prayed on June 4th, 2000 that changed everything
The censored chapter his publisher wouldn’t let him include — and where you can find it
Judas, Lazarus, universal hope, and the long arc of love

This is one of those conversations that reminds you the gospel is so much better than we’ve been told.

To learn more about Brians:
brianzahnd.com
brianzahnd.substack.com

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LLOYD CLARK / THE LIFE I DREAMED OF

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Jason sat down with his dad, Lloyd—his best friend—to talk about Lloyd’s memoir, The Life I Dreamed Of, a story they’ve been circling for decades. What unfolds is a journey through trauma, religion, and striving, into the surprising discovery that God was never distant. They explore the weight of calling, the lies of separation, and the slow awakening to a love that doesn’t need to be earned. This is a conversation about moving from fear to trust, lack to abundance, and performance to rest. And at the center of it all is this: you’re not trying to be enough, you are enough.

More info on Lloyd Clark: https://afamilystory.org/lloyd/
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