FATHER KENNETH TANNER / VULNERABLE GOD

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Jason sits down with pastor and theologian Father Kenneth Tanner to explore his new book, Vulnerable God, and how Jesus reveals both what God is truly like and what it means to be fully human. From Jesus’ hidden years and tears at Lazarus’ grave to the cross and resurrection, Father Kenneth reframes divine power as vulnerability, humility, service, and self-giving love rather than hierarchy and control. Their conversation ultimately becomes an invitation to remember our true identity: made by Love, in the image of God, and invited to “be human as God is human”—carrying peace, forgiveness, and reconciliation into the world.

For more info on Father Kenneth Tanner:
https://kennethtanner.substack.com/
https://www.instagram.com/kentanner/

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What if Jesus didn’t come to change the Father’s mind about us—but to change our minds about the Father? Jason sits down with Chris Gore to explore his new book, How Good Is the Father, Really?, and the staggering goodness of God revealed in Jesus. From union and the cross to wrath, punishment, healing, and justice, Chris challenges the punitive God many of us inherited and invites us to discover a Father who is “always only good.” Along the way, they explore why the Father never turned His face from Jesus, how wrath might actually be love confronting everything that destroys the beloved, and why the gospel isn’t about escaping earth but bringing love, healing, hope, and life to the world right now. For more info on Chris: https://www.chrisgore.org/

For more info on Chris:
https://www.chrisgore.org/

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MICOLE & BETHANY WALLACE / WHEN CHURCH HURT MEETS RADICAL HOPE

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What happens when church hurt, stage IV cancer, and deep theological reconstruction collide with an unshakable conviction that God is better than we’ve been told? In this deeply vulnerable conversation, Micole and Bethany Wallace share their remarkable journey—from serving fourteen years as worship pastors, to losing the ministry they thought would be home forever, to discovering Restoration City, walking through reconciliation with former friends, and facing Bethany’s stage IV breast cancer diagnosis.

Together they explore union with Christ, emotional healing, the impact of trauma on the body, the restoration of relationships, and the radical trust that grows when we stop pleading with God and begin to rest in His unwavering goodness. It’s a conversation about worship, healing, forgiveness, hope, and the long game of love that reminds us reconciliation is not just possible—it’s at the very heart of the gospel.

For more info
Restoration City Church – https://www.restorationcity.tv/

Micole and Bethany lead worship for our Rethinking God with Tacos Reunion. Join us this Sept (24-26) in Charlotte.
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/rethinking-god-with-tacos-reunion-2026-tickets-1986548921300?aff=oddtdtcreator

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JUSTIN PAUL ABRAHAM / THE FUTURE IS BETTER THAN YOU THINK

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Justin Paul Abraham joins Jason for one of the most expansive conversations, exploring what happens when the gospel is no longer driven by fear, but by union, joy, and the limitless goodness of God. Together they unpack mystical encounters, the logic of love, contemplative spirituality, technology, creativity, AI, the future of humanity, and why the Kingdom isn’t retreating from the world—it’s transforming it. From the charismatic movement to ancient Christian mysticism, from heaven invading earth to discovering Christ in every corner of creation, this conversation invites listeners into a bigger, brighter vision of the gospel where love is the organizing principle of reality, and the future has never been more hopeful.

For more on Justin:
https://www.cobh.live/

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LATOYA LACKEY / THE BLUFF HOUSE: FINDING HIS REST

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This conversation with author and podcaster Latoya Lackey is about rest, identity, union with God, and the exhausting weight of performance-driven faith. Together, Jason and Latoya unpack how fear-based religion, striving, comparison, and the need for validation keep us disconnected from the peace Jesus modeled. Through stories of burnout, awakening, marriage, ministry, belonging, and discovering the goodness of God through voices like Baxter Kruger and the early church fathers, this conversation becomes an invitation to stop living from pressure and start living from presence. If you’ve ever felt exhausted trying to prove yourself to God, others, or even yourself, this episode feels like a deep breath for the soul.

For more info on Latoya:
https://www.latoyalackeyministries.com/

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THOMAS JAY OORD / A SYSTEMATIC THEOLOGY OF LOVE

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In this enriching conversation, Jason Clark welcomes back theologian and author Thomas Jay Oord for a deep dive into uncontrolling love, open and relational theology, and his groundbreaking new book, A Systematic Theology of Love. They explore rethinking God’s power, the nature of love as the center of theology, navigating scripture through a Christological lens, mystery and reason, life after death, and why God is not in control but is perfectly loving. The discussion also touches on Oord’s spiritual nature film Seer, photography, and living in relational trust with a responsive God.

For more info on Thomas Jay Oord
https://thomasjayoord.com/

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SCHLYCE JIMENEZ / THE GOSPEL OF IMMORTALITY: RETHINKING LIFE, DEATH, & RESURRECTION

The Gospel of Immortality: Rethinking Life, Death, and Resurrection

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In this conversation, Jason Clark and Schlyce Jimenez step into one of the most provocative edges of the gospel: what if resurrection isn’t just a future promise—but a present reality? Moving beyond familiar language around union with God, they explore what Schlyce calls “the gospel of immortality,” a radical reimagining of life, death, and participation in Christ. Together, they wrestle with consciousness, the illusion of separation, and the possibility that humanity is awakening to a new way of being—one where love, not death, is the governing reality. This isn’t about neat answers; it’s an invitation to explore, to question, and to step into the mystery of what it means to live fully alive, right now.

For more info on Schlyce Jimenez:
https://www.schlyce.com/

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JOHN CROWDER / GIFTING VS. CHARACTER? NO—IT’S A CHRISTOLOGY PROBLEM

Gifting vs Character? No—It’s a Christology Problem

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This conversation is a rich, honest exploration of deconstruction, charismatic culture, union with God, suffering, anger, and the actual shape of the gospel. Jason and John Crowder move past surface-level recent controversy and into the deeper issue beneath it all: separation-based theology. Rather than framing church failures as simply “gifting versus character,” they discuss Christology—whether our identity is rooted in union with Christ or in striving, performance, and spiritual hierarchy.

The guys unpack how revival culture, moralism, and celebrity Christianity often create blind spots that protect systems over people, while the true gospel restores beloved identity, co-suffering love, and embodied grace. The conversation ultimately returns to Jesus—not as a spiritual ladder to climb, but as the revelation that we are already included, already loved, and invited to participate in a kingdom shaped by self-giving love rather than power, outrage, or control.

More on John Crowder
https://www.johncrowder.net/

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BRIAN ZAHND / UNION, PILGRIMAGE, & UNSEEN EXISTENCES

The Gospel Is Better Than You've Been Told: Union, Pilgrimage, and Unseen Existences

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What if heaven isn’t a distant destination — but a different dimension that’s closer than we think? In this conversation, Jason sits down with theologian, pastor, and author Brian Zahnd to explore his new book Unseen Existences — and what it means to recover a vision of transcendence in a world flattened by consumerism, politics, and pragmatism.

We talk about:

Why losing sight of heaven turns Christianity into partisan politics
The pilgrimage of the soul — and why nothing real happens fast
What Jesus weeping at Lazarus’s tomb tells us about God’s co-suffering with us
The prayer Brian prayed on June 4th, 2000 that changed everything
The censored chapter his publisher wouldn’t let him include — and where you can find it
Judas, Lazarus, universal hope, and the long arc of love

This is one of those conversations that reminds you the gospel is so much better than we’ve been told.

To learn more about Brians:
brianzahnd.com
brianzahnd.substack.com

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ISI DE GERSIGNY / THE GOSPEL WITHOUT FEAR

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In this rich and deeply moving conversation, Jason connects with Isi De Gersigny to explore the expansive, immersive, and measureless love of God. Together, they reflect on worship, trauma, healing, union, and the freedom that comes when we stop living for God’s approval and begin living from the reality that we are already beloved. This episode is a beautiful invitation beyond fear, separation thinking, and performance-based faith into the wide-open life revealed in Jesus. If you’ve ever wrestled with God’s goodness, deconstruction, or what it really means to live loved, this conversation will stay with you.

To learn more about Isi:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/isidegersigny/
Music: https://ditto.fm/life-love-blood?utm_source=ig&utm_medium=social&utm_content=link_in_bio
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/isidegersigny/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@jubileechurchsydney
Jubilee Church: https://jubilee.org.au/

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