FATHER KENNETH TANNER / VULNERABLE GOD
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Jason sits down with pastor and theologian Father Kenneth Tanner to explore his new book, Vulnerable God, and how Jesus reveals both what God is truly like and what it means to be fully human. From Jesus’ hidden years and tears at Lazarus’ grave to the cross and resurrection, Father Kenneth reframes divine power as vulnerability, humility, service, and self-giving love rather than hierarchy and control. Their conversation ultimately becomes an invitation to remember our true identity: made by Love, in the image of God, and invited to “be human as God is human”—carrying peace, forgiveness, and reconciliation into the world.
For more info on Father Kenneth Tanner:
https://kennethtanner.substack.com/
https://www.instagram.com/kentanner/
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Podcast intro and outro music by Wilde Assembly
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What if Jesus didn’t come to change the Father’s mind about us—but to change our minds about the Father? Jason sits down with Chris Gore to explore his new book, How Good Is the Father, Really?, and the staggering goodness of God revealed in Jesus. From union and the cross to wrath, punishment, healing, and justice, Chris challenges the punitive God many of us inherited and invites us to discover a Father who is “always only good.” Along the way, they explore why the Father never turned His face from Jesus, how wrath might actually be love confronting everything that destroys the beloved, and why the gospel isn’t about escaping earth but bringing love, healing, hope, and life to the world right now. For more info on Chris: https://www.chrisgore.org/
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THOMAS JAY OORD / A SYSTEMATIC THEOLOGY OF LOVE
In this enriching conversation, Jason Clark welcomes back theologian and author Thomas Jay Oord for a deep dive into uncontrolling love, open and relational theology, and his groundbreaking new book, A Systematic Theology of Love. They explore rethinking God’s power, the nature of love as the center of theology, navigating scripture through a Christological lens, mystery and reason, life after death, and why God is not in control but is perfectly loving. The discussion also touches on Oord’s spiritual nature film Seer, photography, and living in relational trust with a responsive God.
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SCHLYCE JIMENEZ / THE GOSPEL OF IMMORTALITY: RETHINKING LIFE, DEATH, & RESURRECTION
The Gospel of Immortality: Rethinking Life, Death, and Resurrection
In this conversation, Jason Clark and Schlyce Jimenez step into one of the most provocative edges of the gospel: what if resurrection isn’t just a future promise—but a present reality? Moving beyond familiar language around union with God, they explore what Schlyce calls “the gospel of immortality,” a radical reimagining of life, death, and participation in Christ. Together, they wrestle with consciousness, the illusion of separation, and the possibility that humanity is awakening to a new way of being—one where love, not death, is the governing reality. This isn’t about neat answers; it’s an invitation to explore, to question, and to step into the mystery of what it means to live fully alive, right now.
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JOHN CROWDER / GIFTING VS. CHARACTER? NO—IT’S A CHRISTOLOGY PROBLEM
Gifting vs Character? No—It’s a Christology Problem
This conversation is a rich, honest exploration of deconstruction, charismatic culture, union with God, suffering, anger, and the actual shape of the gospel. Jason and John Crowder move past surface-level recent controversy and into the deeper issue beneath it all: separation-based theology. Rather than framing church failures as simply “gifting versus character,” they discuss Christology—whether our identity is rooted in union with Christ or in striving, performance, and spiritual hierarchy.
The guys unpack how revival culture, moralism, and celebrity Christianity often create blind spots that protect systems over people, while the true gospel restores beloved identity, co-suffering love, and embodied grace. The conversation ultimately returns to Jesus—not as a spiritual ladder to climb, but as the revelation that we are already included, already loved, and invited to participate in a kingdom shaped by self-giving love rather than power, outrage, or control.
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JASON CLARK / PRONE TO LOVE
The conversation revolves around Jason Clark’s book, Prone to Love, the first in a trilogy that Prone to Love that invites the reader to deconstruct fractured beliefs about God and His love.
Jason shares his personal experience of going through a season of feeling distant from God and how it led to a deeper revelation of union. He talks about the importance of embracing tests and challenges as invitations to a greater revelation of God’s nature.
Jason also discusses trust and its relationship to love and boundaries. He emphasizes the need to earn and maintain trust while still extending love to others.
In this conversation, Jason and Bryant explore the concept of grace and its connection to bravery. They explore the idea that grace is not a dualistic concept but rather an invitation to live in the reality of union with God. They also touch on signs and wonders in the charismatic world and how they can be integrated into a holistic understanding of the Kingdom of God.
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THE LONG GAME OF LOVE WITH DUBB ALEXANDER & JASON CLARK
The Kingdom and the Long Game of Love are themes woven throughout this engaging conversation. Dubb and Jason explore the transformative journey of faith, emphasizing the goodness of God and the importance of understanding His nature.
They discuss the shift from desperation to intimacy in their relationship with God, the impact of fatherhood on their theology, and the role of creativity and storytelling in expressing faith.
The conversation also touches on the significance of community support in navigating faith challenges and the long-term vision of love and transformation in culture.
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CATHERINE TOON / LOVEOLOGY
In this conversation, Jason and Catherine Toon discuss the themes of love, identity, and purpose as they revisit Catherine’s revised and expanded edition of her book, Marked By Love.
They discuss the importance of journaling and encountering God experientially. The conversation addresses the lies and insecurities we often believe about ourselves and the truth of our identity in Christ. The conversation emphasizes the transformative power of God’s love as they explore the idea that we are created in God’s image and likeness, prone to love, and designed to live in the fullness of His pleasure.
They also touch on the importance of trust and faith in navigating life’s challenges and finding rest in God’s presence. The conversation is filled with insights and personal stories that highlight the transformative power of understanding our identity in Christ.
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I Just Let Him Love Me
Several years ago, Anthony and Mary Keith Skinner visited the Clark family.
Anthony and Mary Keith are worshipers who know the love of God. Anthony is a dad, a singer/songwriter, and an author; and Mary Keith is a mom, a teacher, and an encourager. They are a lot of things, but mostly they are loved.
“People who have lived immersed in the Father’s love, simply can’t help but love; they’ve become transformed—they have become love.”
You know what was really refreshing about the Skinners’ visit? They didn’t visit us for them. That’s not to say we aren’t good company, because we’re amazing. But they didn’t come to receive; they came to give. They walked through the door and started loving us before the coffee was fully brewed. And you know what was amazing? It was easy; they didn’t even have to try. People who have lived immersed in the Father’s love, simply can’t help but love; they’ve become transformed—they have become love.
Karen and I have begun to live this way as well. We are daily becoming convinced in our Father’s always-good love. And so we, too, are being transformed. You know what the best thing is about becoming love? You don’t have to try to love; it’s just the natural expression of one who is loved. All you have to do is walk through the door, and before the coffee is fully brewed… well…done…
Love is an awesome thing. The more you know and experience, the more transformed into love you become. There is an ease that enters your life. Even in the midst of hardship, there is a grace to live at rest—like Jesus when He slept through the storm.
“When you are loved and you know it, you don’t have to try not to sin, you don’t have to beg God for breakthrough, you don’t have to strive to obey, you don’t have to work up your love for God, your wife, your kids, your neighbor, your coworker, or even your enemy.”
When you are loved, and you know it, you don’t have to try not to sin; you don’t have to beg God for breakthrough; you don’t have to strive to obey; you don’t have to work up your love for God, your wife, kids, neighbor, coworker, or even your enemy.
Jesus was love. It wasn’t hard for Him, either. There was no striving. He didn’t have to try. All He had to do was keep His eyes on His Dad.
We went to Queen City Church, a wonderful family of believers, to worship with the Skinners that Sunday night before they headed to their Nashville home. It was beautiful, sweet, and powerful. It was all those things for several reasons. First, as my friend Andy Squyres says, Anthony Skinner’s voice is a million bucks. So there was that. But it was also beautiful, sweet, and powerful for a profoundly simpler reason: the Skinners weren’t there for themselves; they were there for the Father… and for all of us.
Mid-strum, Anthony muted his strings and paused, “I used to try and love God, but now I just let Him love me.”
CHERITH FEE NORDLING / A PERMANENTLY HUMAN GOSPEL
“The reason you can’t take your own human life seriously is because you’ve never taken my (Christ’s) life seriously.” The incarnation, Jesus as fully human, Jesus and His divinity, grace, cruciform love, leaving Gnosticism, resurrection fearlessness, freedom, and salvation as a human story; in this conversation, Cherith shares a beautiful gospel in which we are discovering how to enter into the life of Jesus!
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