JUSTIN PAUL ABRAHAM / THE FUTURE IS BETTER THAN YOU THINK
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Justin Paul Abraham joins Jason for one of the most expansive conversations, exploring what happens when the gospel is no longer driven by fear, but by union, joy, and the limitless goodness of God. Together they unpack mystical encounters, the logic of love, contemplative spirituality, technology, creativity, AI, the future of humanity, and why the Kingdom isn’t retreating from the world—it’s transforming it. From the charismatic movement to ancient Christian mysticism, from heaven invading earth to discovering Christ in every corner of creation, this conversation invites listeners into a bigger, brighter vision of the gospel where love is the organizing principle of reality, and the future has never been more hopeful.
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Podcast intro and outro music by Wilde Assembly
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This conversation with author and podcaster Latoya Lackey is about rest, identity, union with God, and the exhausting weight of performance-driven faith. Together, Jason and Latoya unpack how fear-based religion, striving, comparison, and the need for validation keep us disconnected from the peace Jesus modeled. Through stories of burnout, awakening, marriage, ministry, belonging, and discovering the goodness of God through voices like Baxter Kruger and the early church fathers, this conversation becomes an invitation to stop living from pressure and start living from presence. If you’ve ever felt exhausted trying to prove yourself to God, others, or even yourself, this episode feels like a deep breath for the soul.
For more info on Latoya:
https://www.latoyalackeyministries.com/
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In this deeply honest and hope-filled conversation, Jason sits down with James E. Alderman and Larry Hudson to unpack “the gospel they grew up on” and the journey of waking up to a God who has never turned away. Together they explore fear-based religion, the Romans Road, transactional Christianity, healing, union, identity, and the radical discovery that God is better than we imagined.
Through stories of pastoring, deconstruction, friendship, prayer, suffering, healing, and grace, this episode becomes an invitation to stop striving for God’s affection and finally learn how to live loved. If you’ve ever wrestled with shame, separation, church hurt, or trying to earn what was already yours in Christ, this conversation will feel like fresh air for your soul.
For more info on James and Larry, go to:
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KATHERINE GANTLETT / WALKING THROUGH WINTER
What happens when pain tears apart the version of God you were handed? In this deeply moving conversation, Jason sits down with author Katherine Gantlett to explore grief, miscarriage, breast cancer, hope, prayer, and the relentless goodness of God revealed in Jesus. Together they wrestle through questions of suffering, sovereignty, identity, union, and what it means to discover that God never abandoned us in winter seasons. From Brad Jersak and Paul Young to Psalm 22, Julian of Norwich, “Hygge for the Heartbroken,” and the healing power of presence, this episode is a raw and beautiful invitation to stop future-tripping, embrace the divine dance, and discover that even in the depths, Christ is deeper still.
Katherine Gantlett
https://katherinegantlett.org.uk/
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JOHN CROWDER / GIFTING VS. CHARACTER? NO—IT’S A CHRISTOLOGY PROBLEM
Gifting vs Character? No—It’s a Christology Problem
This conversation is a rich, honest exploration of deconstruction, charismatic culture, union with God, suffering, anger, and the actual shape of the gospel. Jason and John Crowder move past surface-level recent controversy and into the deeper issue beneath it all: separation-based theology. Rather than framing church failures as simply “gifting versus character,” they discuss Christology—whether our identity is rooted in union with Christ or in striving, performance, and spiritual hierarchy.
The guys unpack how revival culture, moralism, and celebrity Christianity often create blind spots that protect systems over people, while the true gospel restores beloved identity, co-suffering love, and embodied grace. The conversation ultimately returns to Jesus—not as a spiritual ladder to climb, but as the revelation that we are already included, already loved, and invited to participate in a kingdom shaped by self-giving love rather than power, outrage, or control.
More on John Crowder
https://www.johncrowder.net/
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LILY CROWDER / A MONDAY IN FEBRURAY
A Monday In February
In this deeply honest and sacred conversation, Lily Crowder shares the unthinkable journey of losing her 15-year-old son to suicide—and the slow, tender trust that followed. The conversation explored grief, trauma, and the dismantling of the God we thought we knew, making space for a bigger, more present God who meets us in our darkest places. This episode isn’t about easy answers—it’s about learning to sit in pain, to feel what we’ve been taught to avoid, and to rediscover beauty in the smallest moments, like the sound of birds breaking through the silence. If you’ve ever faced loss, wrestled with faith, or wondered if healing is possible, this conversation offers language, companionship, and hope.
For more information about Lily
https://www.lilycrowder.com/
LLOYD CLARK / THE LIFE I DREAMED OF
Jason sat down with his dad, Lloyd—his best friend—to talk about Lloyd’s memoir, The Life I Dreamed Of, a story they’ve been circling for decades. What unfolds is a journey through trauma, religion, and striving, into the surprising discovery that God was never distant. They explore the weight of calling, the lies of separation, and the slow awakening to a love that doesn’t need to be earned. This is a conversation about moving from fear to trust, lack to abundance, and performance to rest. And at the center of it all is this: you’re not trying to be enough, you are enough.
More info on Lloyd Clark: https://afamilystory.org/lloyd/
Amazon: https://amzn.to/3NM5dO3
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WM. PAUL YOUNG, MARTIJN VAN TILBORGH & MATT SEIFRET / THE SACRED UNDOING
This episode of Rethinking God with Tacos is a raw, live-recorded conversation exploring some of the most difficult theological questions—wrath, hell, suffering, justice, and human brokenness—through the lens of a God who is fundamentally love. Recorded at Grace Orlando for the Sacred Undoing Conference, the throughline is a radical reimagining of God not as a distant judge but as a restorative presence, whose “wrath” is the fiery, healing force of love that seeks to destroy everything in us that is not of love’s kind, without ever harming our true identity. Through stories, humor, and honest dialogue, the conversation challenges traditional frameworks around sin, sacrifice, church, and judgment, reframing them as misunderstandings rooted in separation thinking, while inviting listeners into a deeper vision of union, restoration, and a God whose relentless affection aims to make us fully alive.
More info on Wm. Paul Young:
https://wmpaulyoung.com/
More info on Martijn van Tilborgh:
https://www.martijnvantilborgh.com/
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https://graceorlando.com/about/
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ISI DE GERSIGNY / THE GOSPEL WITHOUT FEAR
In this rich and deeply moving conversation, Jason connects with Isi De Gersigny to explore the expansive, immersive, and measureless love of God. Together, they reflect on worship, trauma, healing, union, and the freedom that comes when we stop living for God’s approval and begin living from the reality that we are already beloved. This episode is a beautiful invitation beyond fear, separation thinking, and performance-based faith into the wide-open life revealed in Jesus. If you’ve ever wrestled with God’s goodness, deconstruction, or what it really means to live loved, this conversation will stay with you.
To learn more about Isi:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/isidegersigny/
Music: https://ditto.fm/life-love-blood?utm_source=ig&utm_medium=social&utm_content=link_in_bio
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/isidegersigny/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@jubileechurchsydney
Jubilee Church: https://jubilee.org.au/
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CARY BROWN PHD / A CRISIS OF MAPS
In this conversation, Cary Brown, PhD, discusses his new book Crisis of Maps. He shares his journey of rethinking theology, the impact of childhood maps on faith, and how the COVID pandemic catalyzed a global re-evaluation of beliefs. Discover practical applications for parenting, trauma healing, and living confidently in God’s love. The guys explore themes of secure attachment, open systems, and the transformative power of love over fear. Cary emphasizes the importance of curiosity, trust, and listening to our bodies and God. This episode offers practical wisdom for living freely and exploring the vastness of God’s goodness.
For more info on Cary Briown PhD:
Substack: carybrownphd.substack.com
Instagram: @carybrownphd
Facebook: facebook.com/carybrownphd
Threads: carybrownphd
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