MICOLE & BETHANY WALLACE / WHEN CHURCH HURT MEETS RADICAL HOPE
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What happens when church hurt, stage IV cancer, and deep theological reconstruction collide with an unshakable conviction that God is better than we’ve been told? In this deeply vulnerable conversation, Micole and Bethany Wallace share their remarkable journey—from serving fourteen years as worship pastors, to losing the ministry they thought would be home forever, to discovering Restoration City, walking through reconciliation with former friends, and facing Bethany’s stage IV breast cancer diagnosis.
Together they explore union with Christ, emotional healing, the impact of trauma on the body, the restoration of relationships, and the radical trust that grows when we stop pleading with God and begin to rest in His unwavering goodness. It’s a conversation about worship, healing, forgiveness, hope, and the long game of love that reminds us reconciliation is not just possible—it’s at the very heart of the gospel.
For more info
Restoration City Church – https://www.restorationcity.tv/
Micole and Bethany lead worship for our Rethinking God with Tacos Reunion. Join us this Sept (24-26) in Charlotte.
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/rethinking-god-with-tacos-reunion-2026-tickets-1986548921300?aff=oddtdtcreator
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To learn more about Brians:
brianzahnd.com
brianzahnd.substack.com
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Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/isidegersigny/
Music: https://ditto.fm/life-love-blood?utm_source=ig&utm_medium=social&utm_content=link_in_bio
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For more info on Cary Briown PhD:
Substack: carybrownphd.substack.com
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PAUL GOLF / DAMASCUS: ENCOUNTER THE UNEXPECTED CHRIST
From Performance to Peace: How Beloved Identity Changes Everything
Jason reconnects with his friend (and occasional co-host) Paul Golf for a laughter-and-theology conversation that starts with Dutch tacos and ends with a gospel that actually works outside a “climate-controlled” church environment. Paul shares the story behind Damascus: Encounter the Unexpected Christ—how transformative encounters with Jesus dismantled fear-based paradigms (wrath, separation, performative spirituality) and forced him to find new language for what he’d experienced. Together, they explore why “a prophet’s job is to remove fear,” why revelation comes before instruction, and how salvation looks less like “getting in” and more like waking up inside the Father’s house—from dreamland/nightmareland into the reality of union and perfect love that casts out fear—plus a quick preview of the Bristol (May 29–30, 2026) gathering.
For more info on Paul Golf:
https://championsofhope.co.uk/
To purchase Paul’s new book:
https://Damascusbook.com/
For more info on the From Presence to Encounter Weekend, Friday 29th & Saturday 30th May in Bristol:
https://championsofhope.co.uk/2026/02/02/from-presence-to-encounter/
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KRUGER, THOMPSON, ENGLEHART & MILLER / THE UNDILUTED GOSPEL
The Undiluted Gospel, hosted by Dubb Alexander & Jason Clark
This conversation took place at the 2025 RGWT Reunion with Baxter Kruger, Damon Thompson, Jamie Englehart, and Tommy Miller. It was hosted by Dubb Alexander and Jason Clark and explored the transformative power of the undiluted gospel and the role of the Holy Spirit in believers’ lives, emphasizing the profound impact of proclaiming faith in Jesus.
For more information on:
C. Baxter Kruger: https://perichoresis.org/
Damon Thompson: https://www.damonthompson.com/
Jamie Englehart: https://connectinternationalministries.com/
Tommy Miller: https://www.ncfc.church/
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MATTHEW HESTER & JAMIE ENGLEHART / HOLY GROUND EVERYWHERE
In this engaging conversation, Jamie Englehart, Matthew Hester and Jason explore the themes of ministry, vulnerability, and the sacred-secular divide. They discuss the importance of recognizing God in all aspects of life, the call to full-time kingdom ministry, and the shift from traditional church structures to a more inclusive understanding of community and leadership. The conversation emphasizes the need for authenticity, healing, and sincerity in ministry, encouraging leaders to embrace their vulnerabilities and foster genuine connections with others.
The guys also explore the themes of vulnerability, authenticity, and love within ministry. They discuss the role of armor bearers, the importance of community support, and the need for grace in leadership. The conversation delves into the nature of God’s love and the journey towards maturity in one’s relationship with Him. They emphasize the significance of being real and honest in ministry, as well as the transformative power of love.
For more information on Matthew Hester
https://www.hesterministries.org/
For more information on Bishop Jamie Englehart
https://connectinternationalministries.com/leadership/
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STEVE CHALKE / THE JOURNEY OF ACCEPTANCE AND BELONGING
In this conversation, Steve Chalke and Jason explore themes of faith, love, and inclusion, reflecting on personal experiences and the legacy of influential figures like Tony Campolo. They discuss the impact of poverty and trauma on communities, the nature of God’s love, and the importance of relational theology.
The dialogue emphasizes the need for a re-evaluation of traditional theological views, advocating for a more inclusive and loving approach within the church and society.
For more information on Steve Chalke:
Oasis Charitable Trust: www.oasisuk.org
Academy For Hope: https://www.academyforhope.org/
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