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Season 7 · Apr 14, 2026

Brian Zahnd Union, Pilgrimage, & Unseen Existences

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What if heaven isn't a distant destination — but a different dimension that's closer than we think? In this conversation, Jason sits down with theologian, pastor, and author Brian Zahnd to explore his new book Unseen Existences — and what it means to recover a vision of transcendence in a world flattened by consumerism, politics, and pragmatism.We talk about:Why losing sight of heaven turns Christianity into partisan politicsThe pilgrimage of the soul — and why nothing real happens fastWhat Jesus weeping at Lazarus's tomb tells us about God's co-suffering with usThe prayer Brian prayed on June 4th, 2000 that changed everythingThe censored chapter his publisher wouldn't let him include — and where you can find itJudas, Lazarus, universal hope, and the long arc of loveThis is one of those conversations that reminds you the gospel is so much better than we've been told.

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Jason Clark is a relational theologian, storyteller, husband, and dad who believes the gospel is better than the last time we checked. He's the author of several books, the host of Rethinking God with Tacos, and lives in Cornelius, NC, with his wife, Karen, and their four kids.

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