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Season 7 · Sep 15, 2026 · 1h 11m

Gary Grant Contractual Versus Covenantal

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Jason and Brooke Waters sit down with Gary Grant to explore the difference between contractual religion and covenantal love—and why transformation begins when we stop trying to earn a belonging that has always been ours. Gary shares his journey from childhood intimacy with God through decades of religious performance and back into the freedom of knowing a Father who never rejects, abandons, or turns away. Together, they discuss union, trust, authentic identity, safe community, escaping religious control, and what happens when faith becomes less about holding everything together and more about learning to live held.

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Jason Clark is a relational theologian, storyteller, husband, and dad who believes the gospel is better than the last time we checked. He's the author of several books, the host of Rethinking God with Tacos, and lives in Cornelius, NC, with his wife, Karen, and their four kids.

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