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Season 7 · Mar 17, 2026

Tommy Miller & Bobby Shane Brooks Tragic Ontology vs. Salvific Ontology

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Tommy Miller, Bobby Shane Brooks, and Jason have a powerful conversation about union, identity, and the goodness of God, exploring how much of modern Christianity has framed the gospel through separation, behavior, and fear rather than inclusion, belovedness, and Christ-centered being. Tommy unpacks the difference between “tragic ontology” and “salvific ontology,” while Bobby shares his deeply personal story of losing his daughter and how the revelation of God’s unwavering love carried him through grief without turning him against the Father. Together, they reclaim salvation, healing, holiness, and identity through the lens of union, arguing that the delusion of separation is over and that the gospel is ultimately the awakening to who we have always been in Christ.

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Jason Clark is a relational theologian, storyteller, husband, and dad who believes the gospel is better than the last time we checked. He's the author of several books, the host of Rethinking God with Tacos, and lives in Cornelius, NC, with his wife, Karen, and their four kids.

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