Wm. Paul Young, Martijn van Tilborgh & Matt Seifert The Sacred Undoing
This episode of Rethinking God with Tacos is a raw, live-recorded conversation exploring some of the most difficult theological questions—wrath, hell, suffering, justice, and human brokenness—through the lens of a God who is fundamentally love. Recorded at Grace Orlando for the Sacred Undoing Conference, the throughline is a radical reimagining of God not as a distant judge but as a restorative presence, whose “wrath” is the fiery, healing force of love that seeks to destroy everything in us that is not of love’s kind, without ever harming our true identity. Through stories, humor, and honest dialogue, the conversation challenges traditional frameworks around sin, sacrifice, church, and judgment, reframing them as misunderstandings rooted in separation thinking, while inviting listeners into a deeper vision of union, restoration, and a God whose relentless affection aims to make us fully alive.
Jason Clark is a relational theologian, storyteller, husband, and dad who believes the gospel is better than the last time we checked. He's the author of several books, the host of Rethinking God with Tacos, and lives in Cornelius, NC, with his wife, Karen, and their four kids.
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