Rethinking God with Tacos

 

 

 

 

Rethinking God with Tacos

with Derek Turner & Jason Clark

Rethinking God with Tacos is Derek Turner and Jason Clark, two fellas who really likes tacos discovering, with friends, that God is like Jesus; that God is love, and His love is better than our greatest thoughts, better than our wildest imaginings, and even better than our best biblical understanding. Just two guys talking with amazing guests, rethinking. Join us.

Derek Turner lives in Charlotte, North Carolina, with his wife, Sarah. They have two daughters, Caroline & Kate. Together, they serve as lead pastors for River Church Charlotte. Derek also co-hosts the Rethinking God with Tacos podcast and loves to connect on all the socials. Derek believes “Love everyone the most” sums up what it means to be a follower of Jesus. www.rivercharlotte.com

Jason Clark is a relational theologian — a storyteller who writes to reveal the transforming kindness of the love of God. He has authored several books, including, Leaving and Finding Jesus, & Prone to Love. He is the lead communicator at  A Family Story and co-host of Rethinking God with Tacos PODCAST. He and his wife, Karen, live in North Carolina with their four children, Madeleine and Joseph, Ethan, and Eva.

Season Five

BOB HAMP / THINK DIFFERENTLY LIVE DIFFERENTLY

BOB HAMP / THINK DIFFERENTLY LIVE DIFFERENTLY

This conversation with Bob Hamp and co-host, Brooke Waters, explores the themes of freedom, identity, and transformation, emphasizing the shift from religious performance to relational experience. It delves into the concept of thinking differently, highlighting the process of becoming who we are created to be. The conversation delves into the topics of identity, behavior, freedom, and the nature of God’s love. It explores the idea that behavior follows identity. The concept of the kingdom of God and the discovery of oneness is also discussed, emphasizing the role of consent and freedom in the context of love.

CHANNOCK BANET, CORY RICE, MATTHEW HESTER / 3 PASTORS, 4 MICS & TACOS

CHANNOCK BANET, CORY RICE, MATTHEW HESTER / 3 PASTORS, 4 MICS & TACOS

Channock Banet and Corey Rice are the senior and teaching pastors at Hill City Church just outside Louisville, KT, and the hosts of 2 Pastors And A Mic Podcast. Matthew Hester is the senior pastor of Dominion Church in the Greenville, SC, area, and the host of The Kingdom Is For Everyone Podcast.

Jason joins the guys in the Hill City Church studio to talk about the perfection of God’s love, the awakening within the church to union, relational theology that practically transforms our communities, how leaving the idolatry of separation impacts our thoughts on justice, heaven, and hell, friendship with God, the Kingdom alive and active in us, and seeing Christ in everyone.

DOUGLAS CAMPBELL & JON DEPUE / BEYOND JUSTIFICATION

DOUGLAS CAMPBELL & JON DEPUE / BEYOND JUSTIFICATION

This conversation, co-hosted by Paul Golf, explores Douglas Campbell and Jon DePue’s book, Beyond Justification: Liberating Paul’s Gospel. The guys discuss the practical implications of their theological perspective and its impact on the church and society. The relational nature of God’s revelation and the transformative power of understanding God’s kindness and reconciliation are central themes.

This conversation delves into the concept of Christian Universalism, the impact of theological beliefs on individuals, and the importance of rethinking traditional perspectives. The conversation also touches on the significance of understanding God’s love and the practical implications of our beliefs in everyday life.

BRENT LOKKER / UNION REVELATION

BRENT LOKKER / UNION REVELATION

In this conversation, Brent Lokker and Jason share personal experiences and insights into the understanding of union with Christ, emphasizing the importance of seeing God’s love and grace in every aspect of life. They discuss the revelation of God’s goodness and the transformation it brings.

Shame, freedom, awakening to the perfection of God’s love, the power of revelation, belonging, authenticity, and the power of seeing others as filled with God’s glory; in this conversation, Brent and Jason share stories that illustrate the heart of the Father and His desire to draw us into a relationship with Him.

JASON CLARK / UNTAMED

JASON CLARK / UNTAMED

In this conversation, Jason and Brooke discuss Jason’s book ‘Surrendered and Untamed’ and the journey of writing it. They explore the themes of radical faith, surrender, and living untamed. Jason shares his personal experiences and encounters with God that shaped the book.

This podcast discusses the process of writing, radical obedience, discovering and embracing ‘calling,’ a relational approach to surrender, themes of hope, identity, and union, and rethinking favor. Brooke and Jason explore the concept of separation and how it affects our understanding of God and our experiences in the church. Jason also touches on the themes of dismissal, rejection, and the spirit of prostitution within the church.

DR. TONY ROBINSON / THE DREAM DISRUPTER

DR. TONY ROBINSON / THE DREAM DISRUPTER

Dr. Tony Robinson, Brooke Waters, and Jason discuss being a dream disruptor—challenging false narratives and helping people discover their true selves. In this conversation, Dr. Tony, Brooke, and Jason discuss the importance of dreaming and living in alignment with one’s true identity. They explore the idea that dreams are not just individual desires but a partnership with God to bring about His purposes. They also highlight the significance of dreaming generationally, understanding that dreams have the power to impact future generations.

JARED NEUSCH & CONNOR SHRAM / JESUS VS. THE BAD GUYS

JARED NEUSCH & CONNOR SHRAM / JESUS VS. THE BAD GUYS

Jared Neusch, Conner Shram, and Jason discuss the importance of bringing the Jesus way to the center of children’s understanding and experience of God. The conversation focuses on Jared and Connor’s new children’s book, Jesus vs. The Bad Guys, which aims to introduce children to the true nature of God and the concept of forgiveness. This wonderfully illustrated book invites kids to explore the goodness of God through imagination.

BILL VANDERBUSH / UNVEILED HORIZON

BILL VANDERBUSH / UNVEILED HORIZON

In this conversation, Bill Vanderbush and Jason discuss the shift from a desperate, performance-based Christianity to living in the goodness and simplicity of Christ. They explore the concept of the goodness of God and the danger of limited perception. They also touch on the deconstructed community and the reformational period the body of Christ is going through.

The conversation emphasizes the importance of living in union with Christ and beholding His authentic nature. Overall, the discussion highlights the need to embrace astonishment, wonder, and the simplicity of the gospel. Bill discusses his book ‘Unveiled Horizon’ and the motivation behind writing it for his children and future generations. He shares how the book resonated more with the New Age market than the Christian market, highlighting the disillusionment with Western Christianity and its organizational structures…

RANDY & LESLI BIXBY / CULTURAL ARCHITECTS

RANDY & LESLI BIXBY / CULTURAL ARCHITECTS

Randy and Leslie share their experiences and the work they do to help families thrive. This conversation explores the themes of redemption, restoration, and the kindness of God in the context of family. They share personal stories of overcoming challenges and finding healing and emphasize the need for a comprehensive strategy for the family and the importance of equipping families with practical tools. The power of listening prayer and living loved are discussed as transformative practices. The conversation concludes with a lighthearted discussion about the significance of food, specifically tacos, in family life.

CALEB CAMPBELL / DISARMING LEVIATHAN

CALEB CAMPBELL / DISARMING LEVIATHAN

Recognizing our shared humanity, approaching Christian nationalists in love, ethnic erasure, navigating fear, violence and the political and religious divide, personal transformation and hospitality, finding heaven’s solution to the immigration problem, shifting towards unity and compassion, creating language to communicate better alternatives, navigating potentially caustic interactions with leaders in the evangelical world, the influence of money and power in American Christian nationalism, the church growth model of American Christian nationalism, the exhaustion of maintaining a divisive posture, and seeing the manifold wisdom of God in all people, in this conversation Caleb Campbell shares with Dubb Alexander and Jason about his forthcoming book, Disarming Leviathan.

BISHOP JAMIE ENGLEHART / EPIGNOSIS — A DEEPER, MORE PERSONAL, & EXPERIENTIAL KNOWLEDGE

BISHOP JAMIE ENGLEHART / EPIGNOSIS — A DEEPER, MORE PERSONAL, & EXPERIENTIAL KNOWLEDGE

“It can be true of us but not true to us.” Epignosis- a deeper, more personal, and experiential knowledge, the grace of apostolic ministry, the importance of connection and community, objective and subjective truth, encountering God’s love and affection, the role of works in grace, moving from church mentality to Kingdom thinking, experiencing the truth goodness of God, living in freedom, the invitation to union and clearing the lens, the nature of hell and darkness, the relational dynamic with God, being light and working out salvation, living in the ease of His life, and the partnership between faith and action, in this conversation, Bishop Jamie Englehart and Jason dive into union and the journey experiencing our theology. 

BRYANT SPRATLIN / THE THIRD OPTION

BRYANT SPRATLIN / THE THIRD OPTION

In this conversation, Jason and Bryant Spratlin discuss the goodness of God and the journey of rethinking God’s wrath as love, the impact of misinterpretation and bad theology, hearing God’s voice, parenting and apologizing, choosing to love and staying connected, identity, loving the religious, imaginary prayer, the fear of being wrong, rethinking hell, apokatastasis-the restoration of all things, the pleasure of our Father, awakening to the present love reality, and Jesus as the perfect minister. The guys discuss the story of the woman caught in adultery to reveal the paradigm of union as the third option Jesus offers all of us. Overall, this conversation highlights the importance of understanding God’s goodness and the transformative power of grace.

ANDRE RABE / PROCESSING MIMETIC REALITY

ANDRE RABE / PROCESSING MIMETIC REALITY

The scapegoat mechanism, the subversion of myth, the anthropological story of humanity, the message of the blood of Jesus, understanding mimesis and desire, the transformative power of relationships, the relational nature of reality, the interconnectedness of all things, peace and beauty and seeing the sacred in every moment; in this conversation, Carlos, Jason, and Andre explore the concept of mimetic theory.

BOB SWITZER / THE EPIC NARRATIVE

BOB SWITZER / THE EPIC NARRATIVE

In this conversation, Bob Switzer shares his journey. Women in ministry, shifting from exegetical to narrative preaching, challenging traditional church structures, and pursuing authenticity, in this conversation Bob discusses the importance of Jesus as perfect theology and the need to reexamine problematic scriptures.

Bob also reflects on the loneliness experienced as a pastor and the lack of long-term friendships. He highlights the significance of exploring new theological perspectives and embracing the goodness of God. In this conversation, Bob Switzer and Jason discuss the misconceptions of podcasting and the unique format of Bob’s podcast, The Epic Narrative.

MALCOLM AND CHERYL SMITH / THE STORYTELLER

MALCOLM AND CHERYL SMITH / THE STORYTELLER

Early encounters with Holy Spirit, the Gospel, growing in the language of love, shifting paradigms from separation to union, the conviction of God’s goodness, The Prodigal Son and the Good Father, Jesus the storyteller, and the significance of presenting the gospel through story, prison ministry, and transformative love, the Eucharist, the eternal now, gratitude and enjoyment; in this conversation Malcolm and Cheryl Smith share their background and journey in ministry, highlighting key moments of encounter and revelation.

CHERITH FEE NORDLING / FINDING OUR HOME IN JESUS

CHERITH FEE NORDLING / FINDING OUR HOME IN JESUS

Encountering Jesus in the Gospels, studying Scripture in community, embracing a relational theology centered on the love and grace of God, Gnosticism, confession, repentance and restorative justice, Jesus, the temple and a whip, the prophetic act of Jesus, the wisdom of Love, the concept of inclusion, the importance of embracing diversity, and the meal where everybody’s “in;” in this conversation, Cherith shares personal transformative stories of faith and trust and hope, and invites us to find our home in Jesus.

CHRIS EW GREEN / THE ISRAELITE HEALS, THAT’S ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW

CHRIS EW GREEN / THE ISRAELITE HEALS, THAT’S ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW

How the master-slave paradigm is misused to justify power and control, speaking truth with love and authority, Christian nationalism and how it undermines the integrity of the gospel, the concept of the fear of the Lord and how it leads to perfect love, breaking conspiracy thinking and the hope we can know because God is in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, in this podcast, the guys start and end with the hope of the Gospel—God is in Christ reconciling the world to Himself

CURT THOMPSON MD / IMAGINATION TO INCARNATION

CURT THOMPSON MD / IMAGINATION TO INCARNATION

Neuroscience and human relationships in the context of the biblical narrative, living in the path of oncoming beauty, moving from imagination to incarnation, being known, a peace beyond understanding, secure attachment—being seen, soothed, safe and secure—left brain right brain imagery, and The Soul of Desire, I this conversation Curt invites us to see beauty as we create beauty, as we become beauty because we are paying attention to Father who never leaves.

FELICIA MURRELL / AND: THE RESTORATIVE POWER OF LOVE IN AN EITHER/OR WORLD

FELICIA MURRELL / AND: THE RESTORATIVE POWER OF LOVE IN AN EITHER/OR WORLD

And: The Restorative Power Of Love In An Either Or World, in this podcast, Felicia shares the message of her book. Touching on issues of race, body, motherhood, church, and wonder, Felicia offers her soul, and it is a wise, deep, creative, and generous soul. The restorative power and uniting thread of love, union, empathy, dualism, good and evil, and The Tree of Life, this conversation is full of hope, grace, wisdom, and revelation.

ETERNAL LIFE WITH JASON CLARK

ETERNAL LIFE WITH JASON CLARK

This podcast features Chapter Three of Jason Clark’s recent book, Leaving and Finding Jesus.

“We have been invited to trade a finite perspective with an infinite eternal life revelation—Christ in us, the hope of glory—and nothing separates us from His love! In John 17, Jesus prayed that we would know this union, this oneness, just as He and the Father were one. Further, He revealed there is no darkness light won’t penetrate, no brokenness that won’t be made whole, no road He won’t join us on, no soil the Seed won’t transform, no consequence of sin that His justice won’t restore—past, present, or future…”

CORY RICE / SAINTS NOT SINNERS

CORY RICE / SAINTS NOT SINNERS

Recorded in December of last year, Cory dives into our identity as saints and invites us to discover what God says and believes about us. The guys talk about restoration, transformation, grace, our Father’s love, and living confidently in a relational understanding of God’s love. Cory shares about his new book, What If I Told You. This book takes the reader on a 21-day journey to rediscover ourselves; grace, wholeness, being loved and union are the invitations of this book. Pastoring and counseling and practicing community, in this conversation they guys enjoy discussing how God is better than the last time they checked.

DUBB ALEXANDER / The Kingdom

DUBB ALEXANDER / The Kingdom

“The Kingdom is the heart and the authority of God, from heaven, on earth, through us.” Rethinking Kingdom in the context of union, understanding the nature of the King, the penal substitutionary atonement heresy, a restorative understanding of the prophetic, how to receive or judge a prophetic word, holding on to what is good, dominion as opposed to domination, in this conversation Dubb Alexander gives insight into Jesus words, Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand…God’s kingdom is within.

FRIENDSHIP WITH DEREK & JASON

FRIENDSHIP WITH DEREK & JASON

“Friendship is born at that moment when one person says to another: ‘What, you too? I thought I was the only one.” C.S Lewis
From Romans Road to The Emmaus Road, Derek and Jason celebrate and revisit 2023 while dreaming dream into 2024. Two friends tell stories, reminisce, and wonder at the goodness of God. From reformation, restoration, reconciliation, righteousness, peace, and joy to community, kindness, and transformation, the guys share some of the ways they have been rethinking, particularly around a deeper understanding of friendship—friendship with Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and friendship with each other. Eventually, as always, the guys talked about Love, the heights, depths, lengths, and widths.

Season Four

MATT SPINKS / ECSTATIC JOY!

MATT SPINKS / ECSTATIC JOY!

For many, the message of Jesus Christ has not been associated with the overwhelming joy of living. The world is often filled with so much discouragement, depression, and striving just to be happy. In this conversation, Matt talks about his book “High on God,” which presents an authentic solution in a radical approach to Jesus! The guys discuss an ecstatic joy discovered at His Cross that brings a sense of satisfaction and completeness, so we are actually able to live & love confidently.

PAUL GOLF / THE  GOSPEL 101 – INEXPRESSIBLE & GLORIOUS JOY

PAUL GOLF / THE GOSPEL 101 – INEXPRESSIBLE & GLORIOUS JOY

The Trinitarian, mystical, joy-filled, supernatural good news, the mass exodus from the Christian institutional experiment we call ‘church,’ what ‘mission’ looks like for us in the 21st century with a non-toxic gospel, and the supernatural reality of living in union with the Father, Son, and Spirit, in this conversation, Paul and the guys dive into inclusion, evangelism, the creative spirit, the prophetic, the flow of compassion, and the wonder of hope.

DAVID ARTMAN / THE NECESSITY OF CHRISTIAN UNIVERSALISM

DAVID ARTMAN / THE NECESSITY OF CHRISTIAN UNIVERSALISM

In this conversation, David Artman shares that grace saves alone and goes to all. This inclusive approach to Christianity is variously called universal reconciliation, universal salvation, or perhaps most accurately, Christian universalism. David shares that the inclusive/Christian universalist approach is necessary because it offers the only Christian theology that successfully defends the goodness of God.

RYAN PENA / GOD IS GOOD; JESUS IS THE MODEL

RYAN PENA / GOD IS GOOD; JESUS IS THE MODEL

Redefining deliverance, principalities and powers, strongholds and spiritual warfare, revival, intercession, prayer, worship, the prophetic, the fall, and sin, all in the context of union; in this conversation, Ryan and the guys talk about the unchangeable goodness and love of the Father, grace, union, purpose, and connection. The guys discuss how, as we grow sure in love, and as we journey further into grace, we continue to find more expansive language for union.

C. BAXTER KRUGER / CHRIST IN YOU!

C. BAXTER KRUGER / CHRIST IN YOU!

Union, the gospel according to John, the nature of delusion, everlasting mercy, early church fathers and mothers, the always good nature of God, a prophet in his hometown desperation, the wrath of God, hell, freedom, salvation, holiness, the Fatherhood of God before creation, the incarnation, a prophet in his home town, the cloud of witnesses, the all-inclusive vicarious humanity of Jesus, the good Shepherd, in this conversation Baxter reveals the gospel as very good news—Christ in you! Plus, crawfish tacos! 

HEATHER HAMILTON / RETURNING TO EDEN

HEATHER HAMILTON / RETURNING TO EDEN

Love, trust, scripture, re-discovering Jesus, sacred moments, the hell of separation, and a God who is love and never leaves, in this conversation, Heather and the guys dive into a Faith that is no longer a white-knuckled grip on implausible beliefs, but a relaxation into a deep inner knowing.

JARED SCHOLZ / SANDBOX TO MUSEUM

JARED SCHOLZ / SANDBOX TO MUSEUM

Following Jesus in real time, living responsive, rediscovering Jesus, an evolving and maturing faith, Love being our Cornerstone, the church, growing in trust, and humble leadership, in this conversation, the guys dive into Jared Scholz’s new book, Sandbox to Museum, a book that seeks to clarify the deconstruction landscape and help readers avoid the pitfalls of modern deconstruction.

JONATHAN FOSTER / indigo: the color of grief

JONATHAN FOSTER / indigo: the color of grief

“Exquisitely etched, in a luring cadence, a daughter lost, a family fractured, fractioned, all in the lower case, not shouting at us, but hard to read. I had to stop and regain my composure. What is this terrible beauty? Not a theology but something softer, more delicate, unprotected, exposed. What is this? A moving poem, certainly, but also a prayer, a wounded word, a broken hallelujah, where a random hug, a hand held through the night, a shoulder touched, are the only amelioration, the only God worthy of our time, the only God there may be, the only way to keep the future open.” John Caputo

In this conversation, the guys discuss Jonathan’s new book, indigo: the color of grief. This conversation invites the love of God into our loss, disappointment, and fragile trust.

ROBIN & STEVE SMIT / FREE TO GIVE

ROBIN & STEVE SMIT / FREE TO GIVE

In this podcast, Steve and Robin Smit share about the publishing company. TWS, and a new book, “Free To Give.” In a world where the act of giving is often burdened by expectations and legalistic constraints, “Free to Give” emerges as a guiding light of grace and liberation. If you’ve ever been shackled by the weight of ritualistic and obligatory giving or the oppressive thoughts of giving to meet performance standards, this book is your path to freedom.

TROY MCLAUGHLIN / THIS UNDIVIDED LIFE

TROY MCLAUGHLIN / THIS UNDIVIDED LIFE

Troy McLaughlin, host of This Undivided Life Podcast, and the guys talked about wholeness. Derek and Jason shared about their journeys and the inception of Rethinking God with Tacos. The guys talked about Jesus as perfect theology, de-reconstruction, an Emmaus Road Jesus, revelation, the resurrected Christ, the burning heart, waking up to wonder, a father’s love, the incarnation, our humanity, sufficient grace, a God who never leaves, and an undivided life.

BRAD JERSAK / AND HE SEARCHED UNTIL HE FOUND THEM

BRAD JERSAK / AND HE SEARCHED UNTIL HE FOUND THEM

A throughline of trust, the cross and cruciform love, the Church & Eastern Orthodoxy, Deconstruction and liberation from false constructs, leaving and finding Jesus, reorientation, faith, communion, miracles, suffering, loss, and the infinite healing love of god, abandonment and a God who never leaves, a Christocentric hermeneutic, penal substitution, eternal conscious torment and the nature of repentance, in this conversation Brad and Jason dive into Brad’s book, Out of the Embers: Faith After the Great Deconstruction.

DAVID HEWITT / RECONSTRUCTING ECCLESIA

DAVID HEWITT / RECONSTRUCTING ECCLESIA

In this conversation, David Hewitt and the guys discuss Church and deconstruction without throwing the baby out with the bathwater.’ David shares his story as a pastor as he rediscovers the ecclesia through a grace-orientated, Trinitarian lens. 

BROOKE WATERS & LIZ KOEPP / PATH TO WHOLENESS

BROOKE WATERS & LIZ KOEPP / PATH TO WHOLENESS

Sozo, wholeness, community, purpose, reimaging the goodness of God in the midst of church rejection and trauma, the language of encounter, leaving an angry God and shame and condemnation, belonging and the joy and hope of our union, healing, in this podcast, Brooke Waters, Liz Koepp, and the guys reimagine wholeness through heart-to-heart connection with a trustworthy God who has always looked like Jesus.

They also discuss the upcoming women’s retreat being hosted by Path to Wholeness, Nov 6-9, 2023.

ANDRE RABE / ALL CREATION IS INCARNATION

ANDRE RABE / ALL CREATION IS INCARNATION

“The universe has a direction; it is moving toward greater meaning and beauty, it’s an unfinished story, and the end has not been determined. You have been invited to author this specific chapter.” Andre Rabe is a storyteller, theologian, philosopher, author, and public speaker, and in this conversation, the guys talked about union, open and relational theology, inclusion, Christ within us, and how “all creation is incarnation.”

MAKE ROOM WITH DEREK TURNER & JASON CLARK

MAKE ROOM WITH DEREK TURNER & JASON CLARK

Derek and Jason highlighted the connections being made on the Rethinking God with Tacos Facebook Group. The guys also discussed Derek’s new book, Make Room, a 21-day journey through the Gospel of John. Derek wrote this devotional to help strengthen our trust in our God’s unconditional love, melt fear from our hearts, and help us see ourselves through the eyes of our Father.

The conversation also touched on inerrancy and infallibility, seeing Jesus as the perfect theology, love being our guiding principle, worship songs that emphasize the finished work, and spiritual maturity.

DEREK VREELAND / CENTERING JESUS

DEREK VREELAND / CENTERING JESUS

In this podcast, Derek Vreeland shared about his new book, Centering Jesus. The guys focused on the centrality of Jesus in spiritual formation, ethical lives, and community life. They discussed the importance of love, unity, and tapping into the imaginative side of faith. They also touched on the significance of the Bible and the image of Jesus as the ruling and reigning King. They concluded by emphasizing the importance of love and unity within the church as a witness to the world.

JOHN CHAFFEE / THE RESTORATION OF ALL THINGS

JOHN CHAFFEE / THE RESTORATION OF ALL THINGS

Shifting from Western theo-logic to Eastern theo-poetics thinking, vulnerability and transformation, Eneagram5, narcissistic pastors and healing, disrupting the institution, rethinking Job and “upgrading” faith, kayfabe, apokatastasis and a better gospel, interpreting The Prophets with restoration not damnation, and spiral dynamics, in this conversation John Chaffee and the guys dove into the restoration of all things.

CATHY LITTLE & MELINDA WILSON / FACE TO FACE

CATHY LITTLE & MELINDA WILSON / FACE TO FACE

Face-to-face encounter, the Emanuel Approach to heart healing, the Celtic way of evangelism, mirror neurons, discipleship, transformation, belonging and becoming, renewing our minds, discovering the connection of all things, establishing identity, meditation and changing neural pathways; in this conversation, Melinda and Cathy talked about how to actually experience deep heart connection with God and each other.

MIKE ZENKER / UNDERSTANDING FORGIVENESS

MIKE ZENKER / UNDERSTANDING FORGIVENESS

“Forgiveness is an event and a process… Forgiveness came to me…” Christ, within you the hope of glory, the journey of union, discovering our identity, speaking to light within people, no us and them, no hierarchy in love, embracing mystery and asking questions, hope, forgiveness, authentic restoration, and the eternal nature of reconciliation, in this podcast the guys talk about their rethinking journey in the context of pastoring, and Mike shares his powerful story of healing and the journey of forgiveness and a hope that won’t disappoint.

RANDALL WORLEY / WHEN THE CHURCH WAS YOUNG

RANDALL WORLEY / WHEN THE CHURCH WAS YOUNG

Theology and methodology, communal learning, asking questions and discussing false narratives, theodicy, rethinking atonement theories, the stages of faith – simplicity, complexity, perplexity, harmony (Brian McLaren), deconstruction, liturgy, the lectionary, spiral dynamics, and first-tier thinking, the stories we tell ourselves about ourselves, and letting God tell our story; in this podcast, Randall and the guys talk about a theology of love as revealed through the incarnation.

LAKHI & GIOVANNA DADLANI / HOPE 4 LIFE

LAKHI & GIOVANNA DADLANI / HOPE 4 LIFE

“Nothing is wasted… God meets you where you are and gives you what you need at the moment you need it.” Emotional maturity, connection, inner healing, transparency, vulnerability, transformed lives, and above all, hope; in this podcast, Lakhi and Giovanna Dadlani share their 30-year journey to emotional and spiritual wholeness, true identity, and our Father’s love. Their personal well-being journey ultimately culminates in the beautiful Hope4Life community in Miami.

CATHERINE TOON / MARKED BY LOVE

CATHERINE TOON / MARKED BY LOVE

“Love is not only a powerful emotion, but a person.” Experiential knowing, discovering our identity, helping people encounter love, connection, union, intimacy with God, the value of our humanity, the mystery of maleness and femaleness represented in the Godhead; in this conversation, Catherine and the guys explore the perfection of God’s love both male and female and invite the listener to know Gods personal love for themselves.

MARK BATTERSON & JOEL CLARK / I CHANGED THE WORLD

MARK BATTERSON & JOEL CLARK / I CHANGED THE WORLD

A God with smile lines, loving our enemies, recognizing miracles, proactive love, finding God in the midst of story, living a better story, awakening to a better gospel, the power of please, sorry, thanks, the breath of God, hindsight bias, imaginative meditation, and fantastical storytelling, in this podcast, Mark Batterson, Joel Clark, and the guys talk about the love of God discovered in storytelling and share about their new book series, I Changed The World. This bible story adventure series is aimed at tweens ages 9-12. The first title, David, is available now.

JARED NEUSCH / A CHRISTOCENTRIC HERMENEUTIC & A NON-VIOLENT GOD

JARED NEUSCH / A CHRISTOCENTRIC HERMENEUTIC & A NON-VIOLENT GOD

The doctrine of inerrancy, a Christocentric hermeneutic, the multiple genres of literature within the bible, Jesus as perfect theology, intimacy, trust, and the goodness of God, overcoming evil, loving our enemies, a non-violent God, forgiveness, the American Church’s’ obsession with retribution, Christocentric pacifism, our interconnected-ness, justice; in this conversation, Jared Neusch and the guys dive into a Christ-Centered approach to life, faith, and Scripture.

DR. MATT PANDEL / LIVING IN THE IN-BETWEEN

DR. MATT PANDEL / LIVING IN THE IN-BETWEEN

“God here, I stand in you, God help me” Martin Luther.  The reality of our completion, a pure grace, objective truth (Jesus), experiential truth (how we live it out), union and the God of the promises, evangelism, the ministry of reconciliation, law and grace (never the less, Christ is preached), obedience, community and healing from church trauma, in this podcast, Dr. Matt Pandel and the guys discuss faith, trust, and tacos.

JOHN BLASE / ARE YOU LETTING GOD LOVE YOU TODAY?

JOHN BLASE / ARE YOU LETTING GOD LOVE YOU TODAY?

“Are You Letting God Love You Today?” Abundant life, the goodness and the GODness of God, loss, suffering, and trust, grieving and grace, and more grace, healing, embracing the heights and depths of the human story, becoming like Jesus, poetry and faith, in this podcast, John Blasé and the guys have a vulnerable conversation about life and trust and the GODness of God. John shares about his friendships with Brennan Manning and Eugene Peterson and the impact they both had on him and our world today.

BRITTNEY SERPELL / IMPERFECT PARENTING

BRITTNEY SERPELL / IMPERFECT PARENTING

The true goal of parenting—safe, loving, heart-to-heart connection with our kids—in this podcast, Brittney Serpell shares about growing mature in our own identity as parents, modeling repenting and humility, finding courage to fight for family, recognizing fear, control, and punishment in our parenting, trading perfectionism for trust and always pursuing heart-to-heart connection as we guide our kids on their own learning journey to becoming healthy, confident, emotionally intelligent, and strong in character.

MARK APPLEYARD / DIGNITY: THE LEADING EDGE OF LOVE

MARK APPLEYARD / DIGNITY: THE LEADING EDGE OF LOVE

Redefining success, living loved—from Jesus, laying our lives down for one another, awakening to a union, living from rest, the peace that surpasses understanding, human flourishing, and dignity as the leading edge of love; in this podcast, the guys dive into how dignity seeks to protect the image of God in a person. Dignity treats every human interaction as if it were eternal.

JOE CHADBURN / PEACE IS INEVITABLE

JOE CHADBURN / PEACE IS INEVITABLE

Justice, love, respect, our shared humanity, a discussion around Christian Zionism and the peace of Jerusalem, ETC, and a shift in hearts and minds around war and the inevitability of peace; in this conversation, the guys connected with Joe Chadburn around the finished work of Jesus and an inevitable peace on earth as it is in heaven.

STEVE MCVEY / QUANTUM LIFE

STEVE MCVEY / QUANTUM LIFE

“God didn’t want me because of anything I could do for Him; He wanted me just because He loves me.” Paradigm shifts, intimacy, eternal life, practical applied theology, a sustaining energy of a more subtle kind, the connection of all things, quantum science, quantum faith, the supernatural, miracles, signs and wonders, and union; in this conversation, Steve dives into the scientific universal nature of the love of God.“

LOGAN BARONE / THE MYSTERY IN YOU

LOGAN BARONE / THE MYSTERY IN YOU

“Did Christ accomplish a potentiality, or did Christ accomplish a reality?”

Grace beyond theory, the road of union, discovering Christ in us and embedded in humanity, inclusion, the incarnation, experiencing God, and stories about church life and the journey of faith while searching for community; in this conversation with Logan Barone, the guys discuss the message of his book, The Mystery In You.

PETE SCHELLER / DANCING WITH WISDOM

PETE SCHELLER / DANCING WITH WISDOM

“For too long the image and understanding of God, the One Jesus called “Abba”, has been hidden from view or distorted beyond recognition. The unspoken cry of sons and daughters all over the world is ‘Give us our Dad back!’”

A renewed mind, western wisdom vs. God’s wisdom, theology in relational terms, and above all, a Father who doesn’t just love us, He really likes us; in this conversation, Pete Scheller shares from his new book, Dancing with Wisdom. The guys dive deep into the Father nature of God and laugh along the way.

RUSTY & ERIN PLEUNE / CREATING A CULTURE OF CONNECTION IN MARRIAGE

RUSTY & ERIN PLEUNE / CREATING A CULTURE OF CONNECTION IN MARRIAGE

Hope, healing, intimacy, unconditional love, and acceptance; in this conversation, Rusty and Erin Pleune talk about the intentional steps they took to create a culture of connection in their marriage and how they now help couples do the same. They also dove into their journey of discovering community and deeper faith as they lean into the goodness of God.

SCHLYCE JIMENEZ / THE PATH

SCHLYCE JIMENEZ / THE PATH

God to Schlyce: “You never rebelled from me; you rebelled from a version of me that was never me…” Identity, the illusion of separation, trauma triggers and healing, how to hear the voice of God, experiencing the joy and wonder of continual fellowship with God; in this conversation, Schlyce Jimenez shares about her faith journey and her book, The Path. The Path helps readers discover how their life would be different if they could know the Father like Jesus did.

SETH DAHL / SPIRIT LED FAMILIES

SETH DAHL / SPIRIT LED FAMILIES

“I tell parents ‘You become the theology your kids believe” Engaging our kid’s imaginations, learning to recognize God’s voice, and encountering His love, life, joy, and friendship; in this conversation, Seth Dahl shares stories of transformation and gives insight into Spirit-led parenting. The guys talk about a good God and the journey into trust, intimacy, and union in the context of parenting.

CHERITH FEE NORDLING / A PERMANENTLY HUMAN GOSPEL

CHERITH FEE NORDLING / A PERMANENTLY HUMAN GOSPEL

“The reason you can’t take your own human life seriously is because you’ve never taken my (Christ’s) life seriously.” The incarnation, Jesus as fully human, Jesus and His divinity, grace, cruciform love, leaving Gnosticism, resurrection fearlessness, freedom, and salvation as a human story; in this conversation, Cherith shares a beautiful gospel in which we are discovering how to enter into the life of Jesus!

JONATHAN FOSTER / THEOLOGY OF CONSENT

JONATHAN FOSTER / THEOLOGY OF CONSENT

“Consent is the depth of love…” Jonathan Foster shares about his book, Theology of Consent, where he blends René Girard’s scapegoating theory with open and relational theology. The guys talk about anthropology, mimetic theory, and the nature of love. This is a conversation for those already deep in the forest of theopoetics, life, love, the church, and theology.

ALLEN ARNOLD / THE EDEN OPTION

ALLEN ARNOLD / THE EDEN OPTION

“The world is accelerating in the wrong direction. It feels like all we’re doing is trying to fix what’s broken. And it isn’t working. We’re exhausted, overwhelmed, and losing heart. Where is God in all this? Well, he’s living a different story. A story he’s inviting us into.” That’s the back cover introduction to Allen’s new book, The Eden Option. In this conversation, the guys dive in and explore a homeward journey, not to the Eden of the past, but a new Eden discovered in Christ. Union, rest, community, creativity, miracles, and hope, in this podcast Allen shares his journey into trust and maturing faith.

EDEN JERSAK / A LOVE THAT INCLUDES EVERYONE

EDEN JERSAK / A LOVE THAT INCLUDES EVERYONE

“My mom exemplified this (The Tree of Life) further every time she invited the “black sheep” of the family to our family Christmas events. That was confusing to me as a child because in my mind, and in our culture, they were most certainly “Out,” yet that never deterred my mom from inviting them to our table.” Eden Jersak.

In this podcast, Pastor Eden shares about our heavenly Father’s grace, love, kindness, and all-inclusive love. The cross, the journey of inclusion, reconciliation, pastoring, and valuing humanity as Jesus does, this conversation is between two relational human beings endeavoring to love well.

TOMMY MILLER / DEATHLESS

TOMMY MILLER / DEATHLESS

Union, inclusion, sin, grace, the covenants, a very high view of Jesus and humanity, and biblical immortality, Tommy Miller shares about his new book, Deathless. Tommy is passionate about seeing the local Church equip sons to look like their Father and create atmospheres that look like heaven, and it’s evident in this revelatory conversation.

Deathless” is a thought-provoking exploration of the concept of biblical immortality, and the guys have a brilliant conversation unpacking this thought.

BISHOP JAMIE ENGLEHART / MYTHS AND MISCONCEPTIONS

BISHOP JAMIE ENGLEHART / MYTHS AND MISCONCEPTIONS

Lucifer and the devil, God, and control, union vs. separation, awakening to Light, Life, and Love, and approaching scripture through sonship; in this conversation, Bishop Jamie Englehart breaks down myths for truth and sheds light on many of our religious misconceptions that have been built upon separation.

Jamie’s understanding of the Kingdom of God, the New Covenant, and the heart of the Father is evident in every word he speaks.

THOMAS JAY OORD & KEITH GILES / DECONSTRUCTING HELL

THOMAS JAY OORD & KEITH GILES / DECONSTRUCTING HELL

Perhaps no modern church dogma has been more destructive to the mission of Jesus, created more atheists, or generated more religious trauma than that of eternal conscious torment (ECT).

In this podcast, the guys talk with Thomas Jay Oord and Keith Giles about their collaboration on Chad Bahl’s book, Deconstructing Hell. The book brings together experts in their fields to take the reader on a historical, philosophical, and theological journey to deconstruct this harmful doctrine, and the podcast highlights Oord and Gile’s contribution.

The guys dive into the “logic of love” and offer compelling pathways to reconstruct a biblical perspective on the nature of God and our understanding of hell.

THE PROBLEM WITH RETRIBUTION WITH JASON CLARK

THE PROBLEM WITH RETRIBUTION WITH JASON CLARK

This podcast announces and features Jason’s new book, Leaving and Finding Jesus, in audio format. Retribution is the title of chapter seven and is presented in its entirety. In this chapter and podcast, Jason juxtaposes retribution with reconciliation and recognizes that a punishment lens on the nature of God is one of the reasons the church is navigating broken trust. It’s also why we currently find ourselves in a Deconstruction Movement.

God is as Jesus revealed Him, and on a cross Jesus forgave. God in Christ reconciled the world to Himself.

SHAWN HARNISH / UNCONDITIONAL LOVE

SHAWN HARNISH / UNCONDITIONAL LOVE

Pastoring a community, faith and living in mystery, putting unconditional love before understanding, kindness that leads to repentance, the nature of trust, punishment hell, Bible College, the Age of Certainty, and timeless reconciling love – in this conversation, Shawn Harnish shares about his 25-plus years of pastoring in one area and the transforming discovery of the finished work of the cross. Add to that, 25-plus years of friendship with Jason and a mutual love of the Buffalo Bills, and you got a profound and fun conversation – Go Bills!

ROBIN SMIT / IT IS FINISHED

ROBIN SMIT / IT IS FINISHED

“…You are absolutely perfect in the Father’s eyes! You can’t become more perfect than you already are. His heart is captivated by you!” Grace, resurrection, life, the finished work of the cross, and the impact on sin, death, and sickness, this conversation is an invitation to realize and awaken to the fact that we are co-seated with Christ. Robin speaks to the love of our Father, His affection – “He has always loved us we take His breath away!” We are loved in the same way our Father loved Jesus!

FELICIA MURRELL / EMPATHY; THE TREASURE OF THE INCARNATION

FELICIA MURRELL / EMPATHY; THE TREASURE OF THE INCARNATION

“The Spirit said to me, ‘I want you to hand to me everything that you believe to be true about God and let me hand back to you everything that is true.’”

Racism, deconstruction, shame, guilt, certainty, empathy, infinite mercy, grace, healing, and other-centered, self-giving love, in this amazing conversation, Felecia and Jason visit fear and prejudice while leaning into the AND of God’s always present, empathetic, reconciling love.

Season Three

THE POLAR EXPRESS WITH JASON CLARK

THE POLAR EXPRESS WITH JASON CLARK

“It’s Christmas Eve, and instead of dreaming of the best day of the year, the boy is in his bedroom agonizing over the universal question: Does God…sorry, I mean Santa Claus, really exist?”

In this final podcast of 2022 and season three, Jason shares a story from his first book about the Polar Express, and faith. Whether you’re tired or wide awake, full or empty, lost or found, sick or whole, you are loved by Triune God who walks beside you, will never leave you, and invites you to awaken to His affection and love. “Glory to God in the highest, and on earth, peace, and goodwill toward men!”

SHEILA & KEITH GREGOIRE / THE GOOD GUYS AND GIRL’S GUIDE TO GREAT SEX

SHEILA & KEITH GREGOIRE / THE GOOD GUYS AND GIRL’S GUIDE TO GREAT SEX

In this conversation, the guys talked with Sheila and Keith about intimacy, sex, and God’s design for our marriages. Based on groundbreaking surveys of more than twenty-five thousand people, the Gregoires shared how our theology impacts our intimacy, the nature of our sex drives, porn addiction, and freedom, all for the purpose of helping husbands and wives discover intimacy and experience great sex! This is both an insightful and fun conversation.

JASON GRIMSLEY / CROSS STITCHED

JASON GRIMSLEY / CROSS STITCHED

“Whether I’m high or low, in heaven or hell, nothing can ever separate me from God’s love.” Jason dives into a memoir he helped his friend, baseball legend, Jason Grimsley, write. They guys talk about Jason’s wild and unbelievable life. This conversation is part storytelling, part revelation, and all testimony of the love of God.

Jason shares about several hardships he’s faced, including a botched suicide attempt and the near destruction of his marriage. The guys shared insights and wisdom for the highs and lows of life. And all along the way, they highlighted the message of the book. Cross Stitched displays the very real and present love of God and the abundant life He offers us when we surrender to Him.

AN EMMAUS ROAD DECONSTRUCTION WITH MATTHEW HESTER

AN EMMAUS ROAD DECONSTRUCTION WITH MATTHEW HESTER

The Kingdom within, relational intimacy, a triune God reconciling the world to Himself, faith like Abraham, hermeneutics, and an Emmaus Road Deconstruction, in this podcast, Jason talks with his friend Matthew Hester about his new book, Leaving and Finding Jesus. “Repenting is a de and reconstruction all in one,” and in this conversation, the fellas talk about an Emmaus Road walk with Jesus where He gently and definitively reveals the Cornerstone of faith, God in Christ, reconciling the world to Himself.

BRIAN ZAHND / WHEN EVERYTHING’S ON FIRE

BRIAN ZAHND / WHEN EVERYTHING’S ON FIRE

“I felt like the Jesus I knew deserved a better Christianity than the Christianity I knew.” In this podcast, Zahnd shares about the Christian faith in alignment with Jesus and the journey he’s taken in discovering this good news! De- and reconstruction, a non-violent, non-retributive God who is reconciling the world to Himself, hermeneutics, hell, and the wonder of church deep and wide, in this conversation, the guys discuss a much richer, wider faith. The guys dive into Brian’s book, “When Everything’s on Fire,” a conversation that invites us to move beyond the crisis of faith toward the journey of reconstruction.

THERE IS NO “US OR THEM” AT THE CROSS

THERE IS NO “US OR THEM” AT THE CROSS

This podcast highlights Jason’s book, Leaving and finding Jesus, where he writes about his deconstructing faith journey. The book is Jason’s Emmaus Road discovery of a love that is reconciling all creation; a journey where he’s awakening to a burning heart while leaving every Jesus who won’t lay His life down for His friends. 

5Q – THE FIVEFOLD WITH BRANDON KELLY

5Q – THE FIVEFOLD WITH BRANDON KELLY

Derek and Jason dive into the fivefold (APEST) typology of ministry as articulated in Ephesians 4:1-1 with Brandon Kelly, the co-director at 5Qcollective. APEST stands for the Apostolic, Prophetic, Evangelistic, Shepherding, and Teaching intelligence that Jesus gifted to his body.

The guys discussed the fivefold in connection with the nature of God as non-hierarchal and inclusive, laced throughout creation and culture, reconstituted and perfectly exemplified in the life and ministry of Jesus, embedded into the very foundations of the Church, and subsequently expressed through the lives of the countless saints that make it up.

WM. PAUL YOUNG / ETERNAL LIFE, THE EVER PRESENT NOW

WM. PAUL YOUNG / ETERNAL LIFE, THE EVER PRESENT NOW

“Eternal life is not on a timeline, it is the ever-present now.”

Wm Paul Young, the author of The Shack, talks with Lloyd and Jason Clark about eternal life, an authentic friendship with our Father where we are free to live in the ever-present now. Union, peace, grace, expectancy, trust, facing our fear, the incarnation, death, writing for the one, and stories about Pauls’s friends on death row and the Shack movie, this is an authentic and vulnerable conversation.

WINN COLLIER / WE BELONG TO ONE ANOTHER

WINN COLLIER / WE BELONG TO ONE ANOTHER

The thread through all Winn Collier’s work is delight in the God who exists as the blazing center of everything that is good, beautiful, and true; and you feel that in this conversation. In this podcast, Winn and Jason talk about God’s hope and heart for all creation to know we belong to one another. The guys dive into wholeness, cruciform love, and what it means to be fully human.

Then Winn talks about his friendship with Eugene Peterson, writer of The Message Translation. Winn shares about the biography he recently released on Eugene’s incredible life, A Burning In My Bones, and on their shared heart for pastors and the church!

FAITHFULLY CONNECTED WITH DEREK TURNER & JASON CLARK

FAITHFULLY CONNECTED WITH DEREK TURNER & JASON CLARK

Matt Chandler, pastor, and writer, recently used the phrase “a sexy fad” when describing the deconstruction movement. Derek and Jason highlight his statement to dive into the nature of their own de/ and reconstruction. This podcast dives into sin, grace, reconciliation, and God’s love for all His kids, the church deep and wide. Ultimately, the guys kick off season three embracing Rom 8:38-29 That nothing… “will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.”

LEIF HETLAND / THE LOVE AWAKENING

LEIF HETLAND / THE LOVE AWAKENING

In this conversation Leif, Mark Appleyard, and Jason dive into Leif’s new book, The Love Awakening. Through personal stories, the guys discuss the powerful, supernatural Baptism of Love that breaks off shame, affirms identity, and reveals the unconditional love of the Father. This is a life-giving conversation around union, evangelism, and the miraculous.

JOHN ELDREDGE / RESILIENT: RESTORING YOUR WEARY SOUL

JOHN ELDREDGE / RESILIENT: RESTORING YOUR WEARY SOUL

The human soul has a built-in yearning for joy and beauty and all good things. But that craving for life has taken a real beating in recent years. Between false promises of ease and comfort on one side and the sheer trauma of global disease and disasters on the other, people today are facing a shortage of peace, happiness, and strength. 

In this conversation, John and Jason dive into John’s new book, Resilient. The guys talk about life and faith during and since the pandemic. They dive into the evidence of trauma, how to discover peace in the midst of disappointment, the dark night of the soul, de- and reconstruction, and ultimately union. This conversation reveals a path toward genuine recovery and resilience provided by Jesus himself.

JUSTIN STUMVOLL / LOVE IS THE KEY

JUSTIN STUMVOLL / LOVE IS THE KEY

Justin Stumvoll is a speaker, teacher, and life consultant who knows the kindness of God and loves to create space for individuals to find healing so they can be their most authentic selves Just dives into Love being the key to helping folks walk through the gritty, vulnerable and real approach to transformation. This was a fast-paced conversation where the guy’s traded stories about the reconciling nature of God; they talked about punishment, self-judgment, reconciliation, justice, sin, grace, freedom from addiction, and more. This podcast is bursting with the kindness of God that transforms the world.

JOHN CROWDER / TRINITARIAN THEOLOGY

JOHN CROWDER / TRINITARIAN THEOLOGY

John Crowder pulls from the different streams of the church to talk about Christilogical Trinitarian theology, grace, union, contemplative practice, intimacy, and mystical Christianity. John and Jason dive into the Cross, Western atonement theories, and the religious industry built upon separation; how Jesus is healing the human race. John describes a relationship with a person, Christ. He invites us to embrace mystery so we might discover that God looks like Jesus.

HE CALLS US FRIENDS WITH BRENT LOKKER & JASON CLARK

HE CALLS US FRIENDS WITH BRENT LOKKER & JASON CLARK

This conversation with Jason Clark was hosted by Brent Lokker on his youtube channel Vibrant Life. This podcast begins with two dads sharing stories about helping their children encounter God as a loving Father. The guys dive into obedience in the context of union and friendship, learning to trust the unchanging nature of our Father, not as retributive, punishing, or abandoning, but as the tenderhearted one who accepts us, loves us, and is always good!

KAREN SWALLOW PRIOR / LIFE, LITERATURE, & GOD

KAREN SWALLOW PRIOR / LIFE, LITERATURE, & GOD

Karen Swallow Prior is a Reader, Writer, and Professor. In that order, which was discussed in this conversation along with the power of language, the Word becoming flesh, the connection of imagination with logic and reason, empathy, trauma, the theodicy of Mary Shelley’s Frankenstein, and love being the center of our conversations. Karen also shares about getting hit by a literal bus and how she grew in her understanding that her life is in God’s hands.

SCOTT CROWDER / LEARNING TO BE PRESENT

SCOTT CROWDER / LEARNING TO BE PRESENT

Scott Crowder is a pastor, singer-songwriter, and one of Jason’s closest friends. The guys dive into their love for the church, about learning how to be present with God, ourselves, each other, and our community. Scott talks about creating church cultures that practice the fruits of the Spirit, learning to lead ourselves and others in seasons of joy and sorrow, that “success” isn’t about numbers, cool fads, or being ‘front runners,’ it’s discovered in community.

THOMAS JAY OORD / OPEN & RELATIONAL THEOLOGY

THOMAS JAY OORD / OPEN & RELATIONAL THEOLOGY

Thomas Jay Oord shares about open relational theology; how it connects with the way we live and matches our deepest intuitions. The guys talked about a relational God who is genuinely loving, looks like Jesus, and walks through each day with us, impacting and impacted by our friendship.

Thomas describes an uncontrolling, loving God, that harmonizes with scripture. In this podcast, he dives into the subjects of hell, prayer, and evangelism all through the lens of open relational theology.

DANIEL GROTHE / THE POWER OF PLACE

DANIEL GROTHE / THE POWER OF PLACE

Daniel Grothe and the guys discuss his new book, The Power of Place, which speaks the sense of loneliness that many feel in today’s age of hypermobility and noncommittal wandering, reminding us of the ancient vow of stability and teaching us how we can lead a richer life of friendship, community, and purpose.

They also touch on the deconstruction movement within the church, how authoritarian leadership has wounded and undermined trust, and how healing and connection are available only where we practice the long game of family.

PETER HIETT / WHAT ABOUT HELL?

PETER HIETT / WHAT ABOUT HELL?

The goodness of God but hell, atonement but hell, reformation but hell, scripture but hell, Calvinism but hell; in this podcast Peter Hiett describes hell as “Satan’s big but.” In this conversation Peter walks us through the story of our own creation, the goodness of God’s reconciling love, the relational kindness of a God who encounters, sets free and transforms.

Peter describes a God who delights in His creation, a God who destroys what is evil, creates what is good, and invites us to observe our own creation in Christ Jesus.

JAMIE & DONNA WINSHIP / OUR TRUE IDENTITY

JAMIE & DONNA WINSHIP / OUR TRUE IDENTITY

How to experience God, confession, faith, fear, freedom, our true identity, and cruciform, others-focused, self-emptying unconditional love barely scratches the surface of this packed conversation on the goodness of God. Jamie and Donna Winship share how we can discover our true identity through a relationship with God and each other.

ROD WILLIAMS / UNION WITH DISTINCTION

ROD WILLIAMS / UNION WITH DISTINCTION

Union, a Triune God, mutual indwelling others-centered love (perichoresis) approaching scripture to discover Jesus, and communion are some of the themes Rod Williams dives into. What if “all” means “all” and God isn’t distant? There is no distance, no separation in God and this conversation is a beautiful invitation to awaken to that discovery and our union with Him.

SCOT MCKNIGHT / A CHURCH CALLED TOV

SCOT MCKNIGHT / A CHURCH CALLED TOV

Co-Author of A Church Called TOV, Scot McKnight talks about his new book written in response to the abuses of power, sexual abuse, and spiritual abuse within the leadership of Willow Creek, Harvest, and sadly churches of all shapes and sizes.

We talked about TOV (which means goodness) and how when we practice empathy, compassion, extending grace, putting people first, telling the truth, promoting justice, and serving others, TOV emerges in the culture and we all become more Christlike.

SEXY DECONSTRUCTION? WITH DEREK TURNER & JASON CLARK

SEXY DECONSTRUCTION? WITH DEREK TURNER & JASON CLARK

Matt Chandler, pastor, and writer, recently used the phrase “a sexy fad” when describing the deconstruction movement. Derek and Jason highlight his statement to dive into the nature of their own de/ and reconstruction. This podcast dives into sin, grace, reconciliation, and God’s love for all His kids, the church deep and wide. Ultimately, the guys kick off season three embracing Rom 8:38-29 That nothing… “will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.”

Season Two

LEAVING (& FINDING) JESUS WITH DEREK TURNER & JASON CLARK

LEAVING (& FINDING) JESUS WITH DEREK TURNER & JASON CLARK

God’s sovereignty revealed by Jesus through cruciform, self-giving love, the nature of trust, intimacy, and union, and the transforming truth that there is no shadow of turning with God, in this podcast the guys explore Jason’s upcoming book, Leaving (& Finding) Jesus. This conversation juxtaposes an inclusive, reconciling, self-giving, unconditional view of God’s love against an excluding, hierarchal, punishment-focused, conditional view of God’s love. 

NAEEM FAZAL / REIMAGINING GOD

NAEEM FAZAL / REIMAGINING GOD

Naeem Fazal, founding pastor of Mosaic Church, and author of Ex-Muslim, talks about deconstruction or reimaging God. Naeem talks about the importance of being able to recognize God outside of our personal context, how to view sin, how to approach scripture, and a beautiful gospel that’s not just about a Jesus who saves but about a Jesus who is restoring humanity and all creation.

DALE HOWIE / UNSPOKEN SERMONS ON THE GOOD NEWS OF INCLUSION

DALE HOWIE / UNSPOKEN SERMONS ON THE GOOD NEWS OF INCLUSION

Paraphrasing the sermons of George MacDonald, Dale Howie shares his sometimes painful, often beautiful, journey of awakening to the irreducible truth of life discovered in relationship. He speaks to grace, our common Fatherhood, our inclusion in Christ’s life, death and resurrection, our union, and the wonder of our humanity. A humble storyteller and relational theologian, Dale speaks as a father on behalf of Our Father, who loves all His children with a reconciling love.

SHEILA GREGOIRE / THE GREAT SEX RESCUE

SHEILA GREGOIRE / THE GREAT SEX RESCUE

Intimacy within marriage, the connection between intimacy and mutuality, the nature of trust, the definition of sex, addressing transactional vs relational thinking, dismantling obligation, addressing objectification and broken ideologies developed from Eph 5:22, “Wives submit to your husbands…” Sheila Gregoire practically rethinks sex so husbands and wives can experience intimacy, joy, and deeper connection.

BRIAN MCLAREN / FAITH AFTER DOUBT

BRIAN MCLAREN / FAITH AFTER DOUBT

“Christian faith, for me, is no longer a static location but a great spiritual journey…what matters most…is not where we are but where we’re going.” This podcast is a gentle invitation to discover a way of faith defined by love. Brian and Jason discuss navigating rejection, stepping away from literalism, and inerrancy in our approach to scripture and faith, and their personal journey of trusting that God is better than our best thoughts about Him.

AWAKENING! with DEREK TURNER & JASON CLARK

AWAKENING! with DEREK TURNER & JASON CLARK

An infinite love, the nature of revelation, a kindness that changes our minds, the joy of our salvation discovered as we awaken to the resurrection, the risen Christ within us, in this podcast Derek and Jason discuss how all creation is awakening to the transforming certainty of sacrificial love and resurrection life.

KRISTIN DU MEZ / JESUS AND JOHN WAYNE

KRISTIN DU MEZ / JESUS AND JOHN WAYNE

Patriarchy, authoritarian rule, the nature of power and privilege in America and the Church, the deconstruction movement, Christians in politics; in this podcast, Professor and Historian Kristin Du Mez, examines the impact of perhaps the most influential subculture in this country, white evangelicalism. This conversation explores how evangelicals have stepped away from the Jesus of the Gospels, from sacrificial love. “But what was once done, can be undone.”

BRIAN SIMMONS / THE PASSION TRANSLATION

BRIAN SIMMONS / THE PASSION TRANSLATION

“The bible, minus love, equals false teaching, false living, and fosters an anger in the soul of man.” Brian Simmons, author of The Passion Translation, talks about approaching scripture with a love theology, the oppressive impact of hyper literalism, women in ministry, equality, union, Jesus’ humanity inside the Trinity, the finished work of the cross, and the passionate, powerful, transforming love of God.

DAVID TENSEN / YOU ARE NOT ALONE

DAVID TENSEN / YOU ARE NOT ALONE

Trauma, pain, empathy like Jesus, and healing for the oppressed, misunderstood, lost, or broken; in this podcast David Tensen shares how we are loved and not alone. Addressing how shame and condemnation are compounded by religion, the guys talked specifically about abortion and the LGBTQ community with an invitation to love like Jesus, through our union with God and reconciliation.

BRUXY CAVEY / LOVING GOD BY LOVING OUR NEIGHBOR

BRUXY CAVEY / LOVING GOD BY LOVING OUR NEIGHBOR

Bruxy Cavey, author, and pastor of The Meeting House, dives into relational faith, loving God through loving our neighbor, repenting with a hopeful future focus, how doubt is connected to our faith, how we are not people of the book (bible) we are people of the person (Jesus), and three perspectives on hell concluding with the fact that the New Testament church never leveraged hell to get people to make a decision to for Jesus.

CARLOS PADILLA / WALKING IN GOD’S POWER

CARLOS PADILLA / WALKING IN GOD’S POWER

Healing, miracles, the power of God, evangelism through the gospel of inclusion, faith, and reframing repentance, Carlos shares about his journey of discovering that the miraculous, or a transformed life, is simply about discovering God’s love and our origin and union in Him.

RANDALL WORLEY / BRUSHSTROKES OF GRACE

RANDALL WORLEY / BRUSHSTROKES OF GRACE

“The two greatest myths that we, as humans, believe, are the myth of separation and the myth of scarcity.”

Grace, empathy, spiritual maturity, identity, destiny, purpose, and a sense of our eternal significance and worth; in this podcast, Randall Worley dives headlong into the measureless transforming and reconciling mystery of the love of God.

THE DE/RECONSTRUCTING PARENT WITH SARAH TURNER & KAREN CLARK

THE DE/RECONSTRUCTING PARENT WITH SARAH TURNER & KAREN CLARK

Sarah Turner and Karen Clark take the hosting reins to share their de/reconstructing faith journey and how, primarily through parenting, they began to rethink who God is and their approach to scripture, church, and ministry.

From Harry Potter and the college years to church life – the good, the bad, and the ugly, they talk about how parenting for connection and living an honest relationship with a loving God, is the most transformative thing we can do in our lives, our kids lives, and in ministry.

WHEN LOVE COMES TO TOWN / with DEREK TURNER

WHEN LOVE COMES TO TOWN / with DEREK TURNER

He came and he walked beside us, He said, “I will never leave you, I will never forsake you; you are not alone, you belong.” When we discover this love, we are transformed and we begin to love like He does. On Palm Sunday Derek speaks about the cross and how we are invited to live surrendered and sure in love. He talks about laying down our loves, loving our enemies, and seeing the kingdom come.

GOD IS NOT IN CONROL / SOVEREIGN LOVE with JASON CLARK

GOD IS NOT IN CONROL / SOVEREIGN LOVE with JASON CLARK

What if control is a flawed word to describe God’s sovereignty? What if there is an infinitely better word, a greater revelation, LOVE! Through a fresh look at God’s sovereignty, Jason invites you into a transforming encounter with the love and goodness of our heavenly Father.

DOUG CREW / WHAT DOES LOVE LOOK LIKE RIGHT NOW?

DOUG CREW / WHAT DOES LOVE LOOK LIKE RIGHT NOW?

Navigating through loss with a good God, experiencing the presence of God as a loving Father, loving our neighbor, democrat and republican, and love answering every question that aches in the heart of humanity, Doug Crew shares on these subjects and more with insight and grace. Doug is the executive leader of Shiloh Place Ministries and a good friend of the podcast.

MATTHEW HESTER / GOD WAS PLEASED TO REVEAL HIS SON IN ME

MATTHEW HESTER / GOD WAS PLEASED TO REVEAL HIS SON IN ME

Mystery, faith, salvation and awaking to Christ’s likeness within us, adoption and sonship, being in the family, discovering the Word in scripture, and living from union, we discuss this and more with Matthew Hester in a passionate conversation around the love of God. Matthew is an author, pastor of Dominion Church (Greer SC), and founder of Hester Ministries and Present Truth Academy.

HAROLD & LINDA EBERLE / THE NEW APOSTOLIC REFORMATION

HAROLD & LINDA EBERLE / THE NEW APOSTOLIC REFORMATION

Harold and Linda Eberle share about the catalytic love of God that is transforming our western understanding of the church. They speak on victorious mindsets, kingdom thinking, the myth of separation, reconciliation through the death of Jesus, and salvation through his life; plus old elephants! This is a power packed interview full of profound insight.

DR. CAROLINE LEAF / CLEANING UP YOUR MENTAL MESS

DR. CAROLINE LEAF / CLEANING UP YOUR MENTAL MESS

Brilliant, compassionate, and empowering, world-renowned neuroscientist and best-selling author, Dr. Caroline Leaf, talks about her new book, Cleaning Up Your Mental Mess. She addresses what happens when we don’t use our minds properly. Why mind-management is the solution to cleaning up our mental mess and how the science can help us transition from being aware of toxic thoughts to catching and managing them. In other words, she teaches us how to renew our minds.

KATHRYN LYNN CIENIEWICZ / LOVE IS THE LONG GAME

KATHRYN LYNN CIENIEWICZ / LOVE IS THE LONG GAME

Salvation, hell, justice, equality, the bible, and the unconditional transformative always good Love of God; in this insightful interview, Kathryn talks about her spiritual deconstruction and the journey of rethinking God. She brilliantly addresses the sin of certainty, newfound feminism, and a Love that casts out all fear.

DON KEATHLEY / THE GOSPEL

DON KEATHLEY / THE GOSPEL

Don Keathley touches on the goodness of our Father, Jesus as perfect theology, grace, our union, our identity, how to approach scripture, and the lie of eternal conscious torment.

ALLEN ARNOLD / CHAOS CAN’T

ALLEN ARNOLD / CHAOS CAN’T

God creates order from disorder and we have been invited to co-create with Him. In the midst of chaos, “we associate peace with answers. God associates peace with Union.”

LLOYD CLARK / I AM ENOUGH

LLOYD CLARK / I AM ENOUGH

With humor and authenticity, Lloyd talks about the finished work of the Cross, how Jesus fixed the problem of separation, and our invitation to awaken to our union.

THOMAS JAY OORD / GOD CAN’T

THOMAS JAY OORD / GOD CAN’T

“Given that we start with God’s power…we end up giving God the kind of capabilities that make God culpable; in other words, morally responsible for not only causing but allowing bad things…I think there are good biblical reasons to object to that standard view of Gods power.” Thomas Jay Oord

Season One

RANDALL WORLEY / Questioning My Answers

RANDALL WORLEY / Questioning My Answers

Randall Worley talks about having a “beginner’s mind,” faith while embracing mystery, pioneering and the nature of heresy, the limits of language, approaching scripture through love, and the importance of remaining curious while understanding that God is not insecure or defensive when we raise hard questions.

MICHAEL MCELYEA / You Love Me, But You Don’t Know Who I Am

MICHAEL MCELYEA / You Love Me, But You Don’t Know Who I Am

You love me, but you don’t know who I am. Those are the words God spoke to Michael several years ago and it took him on a journey into measureless love, grace, and union with an always good, never leaving, no distance or separation, Triune God. With grace and joy the conversation dove into the two greatest lies on the planet, Penal Substitution and Eternal Conscious Torment.

KATIE SKURJA / Discovering Our Humanity

KATIE SKURJA / Discovering Our Humanity

In this podcast, Katie Skurga talks about discovering our humanity in the image of God, shame and behavior, grace and identity, paradox and spiritual and emotional maturity, freedom, and intrinsic authority.

ERIC JOHNSON / In The Image of God

ERIC JOHNSON / In The Image of God

Eric Johnson, the pastor of Bethel Church in Redding CA, shares generously, humbly, and with great insight on the goodness of God, navigating culture, Jesus and American politics, spiritual maturity, emotional health, and what it means to be alive.

MARK AND JULIE APPLEYARD / RETHINKING CHURCH

MARK AND JULIE APPLEYARD / RETHINKING CHURCH

From the traditional to a micro church model, Mark and Julie share their journey of pastoring.
Today, through Anothen Micro Church, they empower believers around the world to become influential spiritual leaders in their homes and communities.

STEVE MCVEY/ BEYOND AN ANGRY GOD

STEVE MCVEY/ BEYOND AN ANGRY GOD

Scandalous multifaced fathomless grace, restorative justice, redeemed identity, our union with Abba Father and intimacy with our Triune God barely scratches the surface of this 40-minute power-packed interview with Dr. Steve McVey.

MARK KARRIS/ RELIGIOUS REFUGEES

MARK KARRIS/ RELIGIOUS REFUGEES

With grace and insight, Mark speaks on the disorienting faith shift so many are currently experiencing regarding their thoughts about God, the church, and ourselves. We dive into Mark’s new book, Religious Refugees, and Mark encourages those who, because of a shift in their theology, have either felt a sense of not belonging in their home church or have even been rejected.

QUESTIONS AND RESPONSES / Faith, Prayer and Leaving a Punitive God

QUESTIONS AND RESPONSES / Faith, Prayer and Leaving a Punitive God

In this episode, Thomas and Jason discussed their faith journeys while responding to questions regarding Judas and hell, how to navigate push back from those who think differently, how to pray without ceasing and without desperation, and finally, what core thoughts about God have changed in the last ten years.

DANNY SILK / UNPUNISHABLE

DANNY SILK / UNPUNISHABLE

Parenting, leadership, freedom through self-control, spiritual maturity, emotional health, the nature of our Father, and heaven and hell, Danny’s thoughts and gracious communication are empowering and transformative. It was an honor to discuss the unpunishing nature of God with Danny!

BRENT LOKKER / Experiencing God’s Affection

BRENT LOKKER / Experiencing God’s Affection

Brent Lokker talks about a personal God, a Father who wants a relationship with us, our identity, how to approach scripture to encounter God, how to discover freedom from sin, brain science, and early childhood development. This podcast is an invitation into wholeness.

BRIAN ZAHND / Jesus Is The Interpretation

BRIAN ZAHND / Jesus Is The Interpretation

The Bible cannot be the foundation we build upon, the foundation is Jesus. Brian Zahnd talks on how to approach scripture, American Nationalism, Trump’s Bible photo Op during the George Floyd protests, equality, and contemplative prayer in this brilliant and transformative Podcast.

JOHN MARK MCMILLAN / A WORSHIP RECORD FOR ATHEISTS

JOHN MARK MCMILLAN / A WORSHIP RECORD FOR ATHEISTS

“I am building bridges between my friends who are atheists, my friends who are fundamentalists, my friends who consider themselves progressive or any end of the spectrum. Because gratitude is the one place we all come together.” John Mark McMillan

BILL VANDERBUSH / RECKLESS GRACE

BILL VANDERBUSH / RECKLESS GRACE

Bill Vanderbush is a writer and brilliant communicator. In this podcast, Bill gives incredible insight into what the new covenant looks like, our inclusion in the family through both being adopted and reborn, how to navigate fear, reckless grace, and how to navigate conflict online. 

FRANCOIS DU TOIT / JESUS IS WHAT GOD BELIEVES ABOUT YOU

FRANCOIS DU TOIT / JESUS IS WHAT GOD BELIEVES ABOUT YOU

Francois is an author most known for his current work, The Mirror Bible. In this interview, Francois talks about our Father’s great affection, inclusion, grace, intimacy, ministry, and the unveiled revelation of love! He also shares some of his story and how he came to write The Mirror Bible.

DEREK AND SARAH TURNER / JESUS IS PERFECT THEOLOGY

DEREK AND SARAH TURNER / JESUS IS PERFECT THEOLOGY

Derek and Sarah Turner, pastors of River Church Charlotte, share generously and candidly on the goodness of God, Jesus as perfect theology, reading scripture with a hermeneutic of Love, soul care, inclusion, rethinking our understanding of vengeance and wrath and the patient trusting journey into transformation.

MAKO NAGASAWA / A RESTORATIVE GOD

MAKO NAGASAWA / A RESTORATIVE GOD

Early Church Fathers, the formation of the New Testament, how to approach scripture, Starwars, Puff Daddy, The Police, and the vast difference between retributive justice and restorative justice. Mako Nagasawa’s insights and generous communication were insightful, hopeful and transformative.

MIKE POPOVICH / PRAYER & QUANTUM PHYSICS

MIKE POPOVICH / PRAYER & QUANTUM PHYSICS

Mike is a brilliant communicator and pastors Freedom Ministries. In this podcast we talk about prayer and oneness with God and Mike teaches us quantum physics! Mike reveals how scripture and quantum physics are not in conflict with each other

BRAD JERSAK / CHRISTOLOGY

BRAD JERSAK / CHRISTOLOGY

Brad discusses high Christology and gives insight into how our early church fathers thought about God and how they read and interpreted scripture. He also discussed what the wrath of God means in scripture.

WM. PAUL YOUNG / TRUST IS MY THROUGHLINE & JESUS IS WHAT GOD IS LIKE

WM. PAUL YOUNG / TRUST IS MY THROUGHLINE & JESUS IS WHAT GOD IS LIKE

In part 1, Paul tells a story about the making of the Shack, his friendship with Brad Jersak and how God used their first meeting, and the filming of the shack to heal a couple who had experienced great loss. Paul also dives into the goodness of God and trust.

In part 2, Paul dove into scripture and how to read it for an encounter. He highlighted that Jesus is what God is like. He also discussed how God gives us grace for today and how to live in this moment.

SOVEREIGN LOVE

SOVEREIGN LOVE

What if control is a flawed word to describe God’s sovereignty? What if there is an infinitely better word, a greater revelation, love!

Jason and Thomas discuss the sovereignty of God and focus on Jason’s book, God Is Not In Control. God’s love is what defines His sovereignty. And God’s love is revealed through the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus.

Sovereign Love

A 6-Part Teaching Series
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