MICOLE & BETHANY WALLACE / WHEN CHURCH HURT MEETS RADICAL HOPE

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What happens when church hurt, stage IV cancer, and deep theological reconstruction collide with an unshakable conviction that God is better than we’ve been told? In this deeply vulnerable conversation, Micole and Bethany Wallace share their remarkable journey—from serving fourteen years as worship pastors, to losing the ministry they thought would be home forever, to discovering Restoration City, walking through reconciliation with former friends, and facing Bethany’s stage IV breast cancer diagnosis.

Together they explore union with Christ, emotional healing, the impact of trauma on the body, the restoration of relationships, and the radical trust that grows when we stop pleading with God and begin to rest in His unwavering goodness. It’s a conversation about worship, healing, forgiveness, hope, and the long game of love that reminds us reconciliation is not just possible—it’s at the very heart of the gospel.

For more info
Restoration City Church – https://www.restorationcity.tv/

Micole and Bethany lead worship for our Rethinking God with Tacos Reunion. Join us this Sept (24-26) in Charlotte.
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/rethinking-god-with-tacos-reunion-2026-tickets-1986548921300?aff=oddtdtcreator

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Podcast intro and outro music by Wilde Assembly

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In this conversation, Jason and his son, Ethan, sit down with Jim Lovejoy for an honest, deeply personal discussion about leaving behind performance-based Christianity and discovering the freedom of beloved identity. Jimmy shares his remarkable journey from Marine, coach, and revival-driven evangelist to a father, mentor, and voice calling people into rest, family, and the love of God. The guys explore the difference between striving and learning, revival and reformation, church as an event versus church as family, and why the future of the Kingdom may look more like fire pits, shared meals, and authentic relationships than polished stages. If you’ve ever wondered whether God’s love is bigger than your performance, this conversation offers hope, healing, and a fresh vision of what it means to follow Jesus.

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https://www.thenorthgateoh.com/

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JAMES E. ALDERMAN & LARRY HUDSON / THE “GOSPEL” I GREW UP ON

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In this deeply honest and hope-filled conversation, Jason sits down with James E. Alderman and Larry Hudson to unpack “the gospel they grew up on” and the journey of waking up to a God who has never turned away. Together they explore fear-based religion, the Romans Road, transactional Christianity, healing, union, identity, and the radical discovery that God is better than we imagined.

Through stories of pastoring, deconstruction, friendship, prayer, suffering, healing, and grace, this episode becomes an invitation to stop striving for God’s affection and finally learn how to live loved. If you’ve ever wrestled with shame, separation, church hurt, or trying to earn what was already yours in Christ, this conversation will feel like fresh air for your soul.

For more info on James and Larry, go to:
https://www.youtube.com/@LettinTheLooseEndDrag/videos

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TOMMY MILLER & BOBBY SHANE BROOKS / THE CROSS, SONSHIP & WHY JESUS KEPT HIS SCARS

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What if the gospel is better than we thought? In this live conversation, Jason joins Tommy Miller and Bobby Shane Brooks at the Homecoming Conference to explore union, sonship, healing, friendship with God, and the awakening happening in the Church today. From stories of heartbreak and family to revelation and restored identity, to why Jesus kept His scars, this is a conversation about discovering that love is the long game.

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https://legacy-church-ohio.churchcenter.com/

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JOHN CROWDER / GIFTING VS. CHARACTER? NO—IT’S A CHRISTOLOGY PROBLEM

Gifting vs Character? No—It’s a Christology Problem

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This conversation is a rich, honest exploration of deconstruction, charismatic culture, union with God, suffering, anger, and the actual shape of the gospel. Jason and John Crowder move past surface-level recent controversy and into the deeper issue beneath it all: separation-based theology. Rather than framing church failures as simply “gifting versus character,” they discuss Christology—whether our identity is rooted in union with Christ or in striving, performance, and spiritual hierarchy.

The guys unpack how revival culture, moralism, and celebrity Christianity often create blind spots that protect systems over people, while the true gospel restores beloved identity, co-suffering love, and embodied grace. The conversation ultimately returns to Jesus—not as a spiritual ladder to climb, but as the revelation that we are already included, already loved, and invited to participate in a kingdom shaped by self-giving love rather than power, outrage, or control.

More on John Crowder
https://www.johncrowder.net/

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LLOYD CLARK / THE LIFE I DREAMED OF

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Jason sat down with his dad, Lloyd—his best friend—to talk about Lloyd’s memoir, The Life I Dreamed Of, a story they’ve been circling for decades. What unfolds is a journey through trauma, religion, and striving, into the surprising discovery that God was never distant. They explore the weight of calling, the lies of separation, and the slow awakening to a love that doesn’t need to be earned. This is a conversation about moving from fear to trust, lack to abundance, and performance to rest. And at the center of it all is this: you’re not trying to be enough, you are enough.

More info on Lloyd Clark: https://afamilystory.org/lloyd/
Amazon: https://amzn.to/3NM5dO3

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ISI DE GERSIGNY / THE GOSPEL WITHOUT FEAR

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In this rich and deeply moving conversation, Jason connects with Isi De Gersigny to explore the expansive, immersive, and measureless love of God. Together, they reflect on worship, trauma, healing, union, and the freedom that comes when we stop living for God’s approval and begin living from the reality that we are already beloved. This episode is a beautiful invitation beyond fear, separation thinking, and performance-based faith into the wide-open life revealed in Jesus. If you’ve ever wrestled with God’s goodness, deconstruction, or what it really means to live loved, this conversation will stay with you.

To learn more about Isi:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/isidegersigny/
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YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@jubileechurchsydney
Jubilee Church: https://jubilee.org.au/

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TOMMY MILLER & BOBBY SHANE BROOKS / TRAGIC ONTOLOGY VS. SALVIFIC ONTOLOGY

Tragic Ontology vs Salvific Ontology

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Tommy Miller, Bobby Shane Brooks, and Jason have a powerful conversation about union, identity, and the goodness of God, exploring how much of modern Christianity has framed the gospel through separation, behavior, and fear rather than inclusion, belovedness, and Christ-centered being. Tommy unpacks the difference between “tragic ontology” and “salvific ontology,” while Bobby shares his deeply personal story of losing his daughter and how the revelation of God’s unwavering love carried him through grief without turning him against the Father. Together, they reclaim salvation, healing, holiness, and identity through the lens of union, arguing that the delusion of separation is over and that the gospel is ultimately the awakening to who we have always been in Christ.

Homecoming Conference Link:
https://legacy-church-ohio.churchcenter.com/registrations/events/3410549

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MARK CASTO / FROM PERFORMANCE TO PEACE: HOW BELOVED IDENTITY CHANGES EVERYTHING

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In this conversation, Mark Casto shares his transformative journey from a life rooted in legalism and performance-based ministry to one centered on beloved identity and God’s unconditional love. He reflects on the challenges he faced, including panic attacks and the pressures of ministry success, and how these experiences led him to a deeper understanding of grace and the importance of family. Mark discusses the importance of community in spiritual growth and the challenges he faced while planting a church. Ultimately, he emphasizes the need to redefine success in ministry and the power of living in beloved identity.

Mark and Jason also explore themes of identity, self-discovery, and the journey of pastors in the context of a shifting church landscape. They discuss the importance of rediscovering one’s true self, the challenges faced by shepherds, and the need for a reformation within the church. The dialogue emphasizes the significance of questioning authority, embracing beloved identity, and the genius of redemption in the Christian journey. Ultimately, they highlight the importance of community, connection, and the freedom to be oneself in the pursuit of faith and purpose.

For more information on Mark:
https://markcasto.co/

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RABBI BRIAN ZACHARY MAYER / HIGHLY UNORTHODOX GOSPEL

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In this engaging conversation, Rabbi Brian Zachary Mayer shares his journey from organized religion to a more inclusive understanding of spirituality, emphasizing love, kindness, and the importance of asking questions. He discusses the concept of original sin, the role of shame, and the transformative power of love in relationships. The dialogue also touches on the significance of humor and community in spiritual growth, as well as the journey of deconstruction and rebuilding one’s faith. Rabbi Brian’s insights encourage listeners to embrace their beloved identity and to approach life with compassion and kindness.

For more information on Rabbi Brian Zachary Mayer
https://rabbibrian.com/

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