JAMES E. ALDERMAN & LARRY HUDSON / THE “GOSPEL” I GREW UP ON
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In this deeply honest and hope-filled conversation, Jason sits down with James E. Alderman and Larry Hudson to unpack “the gospel they grew up on” and the journey of waking up to a God who has never turned away. Together they explore fear-based religion, the Romans Road, transactional Christianity, healing, union, identity, and the radical discovery that God is better than we imagined.
Through stories of pastoring, deconstruction, friendship, prayer, suffering, healing, and grace, this episode becomes an invitation to stop striving for God’s affection and finally learn how to live loved. If you’ve ever wrestled with shame, separation, church hurt, or trying to earn what was already yours in Christ, this conversation will feel like fresh air for your soul.
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For more on Bill Winn:
Website: https://www.billwinnbooks.com/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3_V5DDa9TfuWM4IORLtAwQ
For more on Dr. C. Baxter Kruger:
https://perichoresis.org/
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MATTHEW HESTER & JAMIE ENGLEHART / HOLY GROUND EVERYWHERE
In this engaging conversation, Jamie Englehart, Matthew Hester and Jason explore the themes of ministry, vulnerability, and the sacred-secular divide. They discuss the importance of recognizing God in all aspects of life, the call to full-time kingdom ministry, and the shift from traditional church structures to a more inclusive understanding of community and leadership. The conversation emphasizes the need for authenticity, healing, and sincerity in ministry, encouraging leaders to embrace their vulnerabilities and foster genuine connections with others.
The guys also explore the themes of vulnerability, authenticity, and love within ministry. They discuss the role of armor bearers, the importance of community support, and the need for grace in leadership. The conversation delves into the nature of God’s love and the journey towards maturity in one’s relationship with Him. They emphasize the significance of being real and honest in ministry, as well as the transformative power of love.
For more information on Matthew Hester
https://www.hesterministries.org/
For more information on Bishop Jamie Englehart
https://connectinternationalministries.com/leadership/
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DR. MATT PANDEL / FRACTURED WITNESS
In this conversation, Matt Pandel discusses his journey as a psychologist and author of ‘Fractured Witness.’ He shares insights on church hurt, the importance of community, and the need for vulnerability in healing. The discussion explores the difference between systems and individual responsibility within the church, emphasizing that trust is earned and should not be conflated with honor. Pandel addresses the complexities of abuse within church systems and advocates for safe spaces for healing, ultimately highlighting the significance of understanding the nature of God and the church’s role in fostering a supportive community.
This conversation also explores the intersection of technology and community, the complexities of fear and vulnerability, and the role of emotions in faith. They discuss the challenges of certainty in belief systems and emphasize love as a foundational element for unity within the church. The dialogue highlights the need for new approaches in church dynamics, focusing on understanding and connection rather than division.
For more on Dr. Matt Pandel
Facebook: www.facebook.com/matthew.pandel
Website: www.unconditionalgrace.org
Consulting: www.noexceptionsministries.org
Global Grace Seminary: www.globalgraceseminary.net
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WM. PAUL YOUNG WITH C. BAXTER KRUGER / THE INCARNATION AND TRUST
In this conversation, Paul Young, Baxter Kruger and Jason Clark explore the profound themes of trust and the goodness of God. They discuss how trust is foundational to faith, the challenges posed by the problem of evil, and the importance of understanding emotions in the context of trust. The dialogue emphasizes the necessity of community in nurturing trust and the role of the incarnation in revealing God’s goodness. Ultimately, they highlight the journey of living trustfully amidst life’s complexities and the healing that comes from recognizing God’s unwavering goodness.
The guys also explore the complexities of relationships, healing, and the nature of love. They discuss the importance of understanding anger, the role of women in expressing love, and the significance of language in spirituality. The dialogue emphasizes the need for transformation and maturity in one’s spiritual journey, highlighting the dangers of a purpose-driven life and the distinction between covenant and contract in relationships. Ultimately, they advocate for living in the present and recognizing the union of the secular and spiritual as essential to experiencing true love and connection.
For more on Wm. Paul Young:
https://wmpaulyoung.com/
For more on Dr. C. Baxter Kruger:
https://perichoresis.org/
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