PETE ENNS / …FINDING A BIGGER GOD
In this delightful conversation, Jason, Brooke, and Pete Enns explore the complexities of faith, scripture, and personal experiences. They discuss the historical context of biblical inerrancy, the importance of experiential faith, and the interconnectedness of all things.
The dialogue emphasizes the significance of relationship in understanding God, the role of community, and the impact of suffering and love on one’s faith journey. The light-hearted discussion about tacos became a fun metaphor for the diversity of thought in theology, highlighting the need for openness and exploration in both food and faith.
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JARED NEUSCH / A CHRISTOCENTRIC HERMENEUTIC & A NON-VIOLENT GOD
The doctrine of inerrancy, a Christocentric hermeneutic, the multiple genres of literature within the bible, Jesus as perfect theology, intimacy, trust, and the goodness of God, overcoming evil, loving our enemies, a non-violent God, forgiveness, the American Church’s’ obsession with retribution, Christocentric pacifism, our interconnected-ness, justice; in this conversation, Jared Neusch and the guys dive into a Christ-Centered approach to life, faith, and Scripture.
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Inerrancy or Error?
Because of our western enlightenment certainty and the embrace of dualistic thinking, good or evil, right or wrong; when I suggest literally inerrancy is a flawed way to approach scripture, many of my brothers and sisters conclude I must then think the bible is in error.
It makes sense. In a good or evil, right or wrong world, the opposite of inerrancy is error.
And, if while reading scripture, the only option is inerrancy or error, well then logically, Jason is on a slippery slope into error and all that it implies – such as agnosticism, progressivism, atheism…
When inerrancy or error are the only options, then Jason’s thoughts are dangerously undermining scripture.
But, when I write about literal inerrancy, I am not juxtaposing inerrancy with error, I am juxtaposing inerrancy with sacrificial love and resurrection life, with Jesus. I’m not playing the game of good or evil, right or wrong, inerrant or in error; I’m simply writing about the authority of sovereign love.
To me, the bible isn’t inerrant, but neither is it in error. The bible is a God-inspired invitation to know Jesus and through Him what it means to be truly human. And that’s the point I’m trying to make. The only thing I’m interested in.
Inerrancy or error are transactional approaches to an inspired book that is meant to empower relational trust.
In my opinion, literal inerrancy is a devotion to the wrong certainty, it’s misplaced faith.
My faith is not in the certainty of inerrancy, it’s in the nature of sacrificial love and resurrection life, Jesus.
That’s my hermeneutic. I don’t hide it or suggest it’s negotiable. Because I too have a certainty. God is Love, His Love is always good, looks like Jesus, and we are growing ever sure.
My certainty isn’t in right or wrong; my certainty is Love.
And Love is the only certainty that I believe to be true. It doesn’t promise an easy life, it includes the cross and then also resurrection. It doesn’t mean we won’t experience rejection, confusion, disappointment, disillusionment, and loss, but it promises inclusion, revelation, intimacy, joy, hope, and everlasting life.
Love is sovereign, love has all authority, love wins. And it is why I love and value scripture more today than at any other point in my life!
You see, inerrancy makes scripture about error.
Jesus, cruciform resurrection love, makes scripture about everlasting life! (See John 5:39)
To me, the bible isn’t in error unless we approach it through the lens of literal inerrancy. Then, there’s literally errors everywhere, historical, cultural, natural, scientific, linguistic, intellectual; through the lens of literal inerrancy, the bible is so full of error that countless books have been written not to further reveal the sovereignty of God’s love, but to argue and defend the sovereignty of literal inerrancy.
I encourage you to read scripture in search of a love so good, so complete, so offensive, so inclusive, so much like Jesus, that you can hardly believe it. And then I encourage you to read scripture like you believe it.
For more on the Jesus, cruciform resurrection love, making scripture about everlasting life, you can read; When Does The Bible Become An Idol? and The Hard Stuff In Scripture
Literal Inerrancy and Child Sacrifice?
There is nothing more perverse or heart-wrenchingly evil than an intentional act to harm a child. There are truly no words to capture such brokenness. Child sacrifice is the vilest act in the existence of humanity, the utmost perversion of worship imaginable. Child sacrifice is a depraved devotion.
“Then God said, “Take your son, your only son, whom you love—Isaac—and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you.” Gen 22:1
This bible verse literally reads, “God said…” This bible story presents child sacrifice as a God-inspired idea, God’s literal spoken word to Abraham. God Himself requested child sacrifice.
So, Abraham, on God’s word, headed off to murder his son.
As the story goes, three days later Abraham is on a mountaintop and has, “…bound Isaac his son and laid him on the altar, on top of the wood. Then Abraham reached out his hand and took the knife to slaughter his son.” Gen 22:9-10
Have you ever heard anyone say they are “standing on the word of God?” Yeah, that’s what Abraham was literally doing at that moment. Knife in hand, standing on the word of God, moments away from slaughtering his boy.
I wonder how he planned to do it, how he pre-meditated this murder? Would he slit his son’s throat, or puncture his heart?
I haven’t researched how human sacrifice was done in those days, but I just graphically described two options so we wouldn’t read this part of the story as some mythic metaphor. No, this was child sacrifice. Child sacrifice is satanic. And, as the Bible literally tells us, Abraham was fully participating in this satanic act on God’s say so.
And then God seems to change His mind.
Or, maybe the thought didn’t originate with God in the first place. But I’m getting ahead of myself.
Either way, God sends an angel to intervene. And thankfully Abraham was paying attention. Otherwise, this story could have become disturbing.
“To Abraham, not unfamiliar with the various ways in which among his heathen ancestors, the deity was propitiated, the testing question comes, ‘Is he prepared to obey his God as fully as the people around him obey their god?” – Translated from, The Early Religion of Israel, by Robertson.
Did you know that the demonic inspiration of child sacrifice was a culturally accepted and expected form of devotion in the day of Abraham? In the narrative Abraham was familiar with, in the land of Canaan where he lived, the sacrifice of the firstborn was customary. In times of trouble, the Canaanites offered their best and dearest to the gods, “the fruit of their body for the sin of their soul.” (Micah 6:7)
Abraham lived in a culture that demanded these types of demonic acts. And Abraham, under the influence of the culture of his day, was no different than his “heathen ancestors.” He also attributed these demonic inspirations to his God.
Think about it, Abraham heard “take your son” and “sacrifice him” with seeming clarity. There was no apparent internal wrestling match, no “God is that really you?” Nope, to Abraham, this request was not only possible but seemingly expected. Abraham, and the writer of this story, seem to be fine with the idea that God would make such demonic requests of His people…
In my formative years, I was instructed to read the bible as infallible and through the lens of literal inerrancy as though my faith and very salvation depended on it.
Every word was infallible; “trustworthy, without error.”
And every word was literal; “true, not exaggerated, actual, factual, not figurative or metaphorical.”
I was taught that through reading scripture this way, I could know the nature of God by simply believing the words as they were written. Essentially, if the words read, “God said,” then whatever comes next will reveal the nature of God…
For years this literal inerrant approach to scripture had me reading the story of Abraham and Isaac and wrestling with the nature of God’s goodness instead of the nature of man’s fallen thinking.
As though a good god is a god who would partner with the idea of child sacrifice to, in some way, test his kids. As though Abrahams’s demonic belief in child sacrifice is meant to define what God is like instead of what Abraham was like; what a fallen mindset is like, what we, humanity, are capable of attributing to the nature of God.
You see, Abraham not only believed that God would demand the sacrifice of Isaac. He expected it. Abraham believed that bull-&%$# about God, and he lived enslaved to that narrative, that paradigm.
Thankfully, I don’t read this story like I used to. Now I read it through “God, in Christ, reconciling the world to Himself not counting our broken thoughts about God against us…” (See 2 Cor 5:19)
The story of Abraham and Issac isn’t a confusing literal invitation to believe that God could one day come knocking on our door making some demonic request in order to test our faith. This story isn’t some inerrant description of a good God who on occasion will test us by asking of us evil things.
This is a story about humanity’s capacity to believe evil things about the nature of God and then, on behalf of our desperate devotion, pursue those evil things to their horrific conclusions.
This is a story about a self-righteous earning system that ultimately leads to desperate acts of devotion culminating in death.
And then, ultimately, and beautifully, this is a story about a truly uncompromisingly good and loving God who will walk with us into the depths of our depraved delusions so He can set us free from living enslaved to the horrors of our broken understanding and the fruits thereof.
Guys, God isn’t in the ‘requesting evil of us to test us’ business, He’s in the setting us free business.
But a literal inerrant approach to scripture will cut us off from reading Abraham and Isaac this way. Why? Because it literally tells us child sacrifice was God’s idea.
If we read this bible story through a doctrine of literal inerrancy, which I did for the first 30 years of my life, we can’t help but wrestle with a couple of heartrending, trust jeopardizing conclusions.
Either God approves of child sacrifice, but in this instance, He intervened, which is a terrifying thought.
Or, it’s in God’s nature to request perversely evil things of us in order to test our unquestioning obedience to anything He asks, including slaughtering our kids, which is also a terrifying thought.
The first conclusion, God approves of child sacrifice? Yeah, it’s taught today from pulpits around the world under the banner of ‘good news.’ For so many, the gospel of salvation is built upon the altar of divine child sacrifice; a sacrifice in which God, the Father, because He is righteousness, requires child sacrifice before He can save us. Therefore He doesn’t intervene but instead forsakes His Son on a cross.
The second conclusion, the one I grew up with, teaches that, while God isn’t pro-child sacrifice, He will request perversely evil things of us in order to test our faith. You can hear this behavior-focused message every day of the week and twice on Sundays. Of course, it’s not articulated this way. No, instead it’s presented as though Abrahams’s faith was proven in his willingness to kill his son instead of in his belief that God would raise him from the dead. And it’s decorated with the religious justification that, because God intervened, He didn’t actually want Abraham to kill his son.
This teaching is horrifically problematic and obviously so. You see, for Abraham to pass this perverted faith test, he first had to convince God he was willing to murder his son. The only way Abraham convinces God of this is through practicing what we would today refer to as premeditated murder.
This contradicts what Jesus taught and what we know to be true in our hearts, “But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.” (See Matt 5:28)
Abraham was well past a ‘glance’ or brief thought about murder, he was three days travel, a bundle of wood, an altar, a bound son, and a knife in hand. Hebrews 11 tells us that Abraham was believing God for resurrection life. This means he had already committed the murder in his heart.
To me, reading this bible story through the doctrine of literal inerrancy leaves little room for anything other than a God who at least once was pro-child sacrifice or a God who will ask us to commit perverse evil in our hearts in order to test our faith. Either interpretation greatly compromises the nature of God’s good love while elevating the fallen beliefs Abraham was striving under.
They also contradict what took place on the cross. The Father never left Jesus, He didn’t look away, “…he has not hidden his face from him but has listened to his cry for help.” (See Psalm 22:24) No, God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting our desperate devotions and depraved ideas about the nature of God against us. (See 2 Cor 5:19)
But if we can read this story through the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus, suddenly it’s a beautiful story about a fella by the name of Abraham who believed a pretty big lie about the nature of God. And about a God who loved Abraham so much that He climbed inside his delusion to set him free.
After all, “It is for freedom that Christ has set us free.” (see Gal 5:1) And it’s always been that way because “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.” (See Heb 13:8)
For more on Abraham and Issac you can read Why Does God Test Us? and Father Abraham, Tacos and God’s Goodness
The Preacher
Kenneth Tanner
If you find yourself in hell, a victim of natural disaster, drowned by your own ruined heart and participations in evil, do not be afraid or lose hope; a preacher is going to come, and the preacher is the crucified and risen creator, who is patient and who loves the world.
This preacher remembers his covenant with every living thing on earth; he remembers mercy, not our sins.
Unlike the ancient gods, whose malevolence or indifference must be appeased for favors, this preacher enters our world of tsunamis and wars and plagues as one of us to endure the waves and the violence and the pestilence, to suffer hunger and thirst and trials.
This preacher drowns with the disobedient outside the ark, with the chariot armies of the Egyptians, with the lost tribes of Israel, and with us.
He does not want to be the only righteous human while the rest of us, his unrighteous brothers and sisters, go under. His baptism is our baptism.
Our common ancestors failed to keep a fast but this preacher keeps his. Our ancestors grasped for equality with God but this preacher embraces human limitations. And because he does these human things as God, the one human nature we all share is granted his permanence by grace.
His record of resistance to evil is now the story of our life as a gift. His victory in wilderness temptation is our victory.
And what does this preacher preach?
The time is here. The kingdom has arrived. Repent. Believe this gospel (even if it all seems too damn good to be true). It’s trustworthy. We can venture everything on Jesus Christ, our human brother, with us in all of our prisons, hells to which he holds the keys.
Lectionary preaching used to be a chore. Now it is quite literally life to me.
Genesis 9:8-17; Psalm 25:1-9, 1 Peter 3:18-22; Mark 1:9-15
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Fr. Kenneth Tanner is a pastor of Church of the Holy Redeemer in Rochester Hills, Michigan. He writes for many magazines including, Sojourners, The Clarion Journal, and more.
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When Does The Bible Become An Idol?
“Careful, that’s a slippery slope.”
That’s a phrase I’ve heard a time or two, mostly from well-intentioned friends, and almost always as a way to express disapproval regarding how I searched the Scriptures…
“You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life, and it is they that bear witness about me, yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.” John 5:37-40
Jesus was speaking to the Pharisees when He said this, the experts in all things scripture.
What happens when we search the Scriptures in search of eternal life? It’s not long before we start defining the words on the pages as “infallible” and “inerrant.”
And in my experience, an inerrant approach to scripture is a slippery slope into idolatry.
And yes, I smiled mischievously as I wrote the phrase “slippery slope,” but I believe it to be true.
Jesus, the Word made Flesh, is Life; and in whom we come alive. We can discover Him in scripture, but to conflate the two as the same is to make the bible a god.
In John 5 I think Jesus was essentially saying, “You’ve searched the Scriptures, the Old Testament, the law and the prophets, you know it inside out; you’ve memorized it word for word, and yet you’ve completely botched the interpretation. Your approach to scripture as a source of everlasting life has blinded you to everlasting life. You have elevated scripture above love and your idolatry has cut you off from intimacy.”
To me, the Pharisees perceived scripture much like the church today, through the religious spirit of inerrancy. And it blinded them to intimacy.
An inerrant approach to scripture trades intimacy for certainty. And it’s a cruel joke because the only certainty we can have through an inerrant approach to scripture is that Satan is powerful, humanity is depraved, God’s salvation is predicated on our compliance, and most of us aren’t gonna make it.
I would like to suggest that an inerrant or infallible approach to scripture is one of the greatest stumbling blocks to experiencing intimacy with God. It literally cut us off from recognizing the whole point of scripture; Love, sacrificial, unconditional, transformational, measureless, always good, always restoring, ressurection Love.
If scripture isn’t taking us into a deeper revelation of God’s love, if we aren’t discovering our union in Christ, we are searching it wrong.
What if we searched the scriptures as a witness of Jesus so we might awaken to the eternal life that resides within us?
What if the whole point of scripture is to recognize Jesus in every person that stands in front of us?
What if, “in experiencing that He first loved,” we love God with all our heart soul mind, and strength, and our neighbors as ourselves. What if “all the law and prophets, all of scripture, were to be searched toward this end? (see 1 John 4:19 & Matt 22:37-40)
Praying happy searching and eternal life over you today. And regardless of the slope, may you always find your footing in His measureless love.




