FATHER KENNETH TANNER / VULNERABLE GOD

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Jason sits down with pastor and theologian Father Kenneth Tanner to explore his new book, Vulnerable God, and how Jesus reveals both what God is truly like and what it means to be fully human. From Jesus’ hidden years and tears at Lazarus’ grave to the cross and resurrection, Father Kenneth reframes divine power as vulnerability, humility, service, and self-giving love rather than hierarchy and control. Their conversation ultimately becomes an invitation to remember our true identity: made by Love, in the image of God, and invited to “be human as God is human”—carrying peace, forgiveness, and reconciliation into the world.

For more info on Father Kenneth Tanner:
https://kennethtanner.substack.com/
https://www.instagram.com/kentanner/

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What if Jesus didn’t come to change the Father’s mind about us—but to change our minds about the Father? Jason sits down with Chris Gore to explore his new book, How Good Is the Father, Really?, and the staggering goodness of God revealed in Jesus. From union and the cross to wrath, punishment, healing, and justice, Chris challenges the punitive God many of us inherited and invites us to discover a Father who is “always only good.” Along the way, they explore why the Father never turned His face from Jesus, how wrath might actually be love confronting everything that destroys the beloved, and why the gospel isn’t about escaping earth but bringing love, healing, hope, and life to the world right now. For more info on Chris: https://www.chrisgore.org/

For more info on Chris:
https://www.chrisgore.org/

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MICOLE & BETHANY WALLACE / WHEN CHURCH HURT MEETS RADICAL HOPE

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What happens when church hurt, stage IV cancer, and deep theological reconstruction collide with an unshakable conviction that God is better than we’ve been told? In this deeply vulnerable conversation, Micole and Bethany Wallace share their remarkable journey—from serving fourteen years as worship pastors, to losing the ministry they thought would be home forever, to discovering Restoration City, walking through reconciliation with former friends, and facing Bethany’s stage IV breast cancer diagnosis.

Together they explore union with Christ, emotional healing, the impact of trauma on the body, the restoration of relationships, and the radical trust that grows when we stop pleading with God and begin to rest in His unwavering goodness. It’s a conversation about worship, healing, forgiveness, hope, and the long game of love that reminds us reconciliation is not just possible—it’s at the very heart of the gospel.

For more info
Restoration City Church – https://www.restorationcity.tv/

Micole and Bethany lead worship for our Rethinking God with Tacos Reunion. Join us this Sept (24-26) in Charlotte.
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/rethinking-god-with-tacos-reunion-2026-tickets-1986548921300?aff=oddtdtcreator

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STEPHEN K DE SILVA / MONEY & THE PROSPEROUS SOUL

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Jason and Brooke Waters sit down with Stephen K. De Silva for one of the most practical conversations you’ll hear on identity, money, and the goodness of God. Together they explore why belief systems always outrun financial skills, how orphan thinking quietly sabotages our lives, why adoption is the heart of the gospel, and what it looks like to build a prosperous soul instead of merely accumulating wealth. If you’ve ever wrestled with fear, scarcity, performance, or wondered how union with the Father transforms the way you live, work, and steward what you’ve been given, this conversation offers a refreshing vision of freedom rooted in beloved identity rather than striving.

To learn more about Stephen
https://prosperoussoul.com/

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JIM LOVEJOY / FIRE PITS, FAMILY & THE FUTURE OF CHURCH

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In this conversation, Jason and his son, Ethan, sit down with Jim Lovejoy for an honest, deeply personal discussion about leaving behind performance-based Christianity and discovering the freedom of beloved identity. Jimmy shares his remarkable journey from Marine, coach, and revival-driven evangelist to a father, mentor, and voice calling people into rest, family, and the love of God. The guys explore the difference between striving and learning, revival and reformation, church as an event versus church as family, and why the future of the Kingdom may look more like fire pits, shared meals, and authentic relationships than polished stages. If you’ve ever wondered whether God’s love is bigger than your performance, this conversation offers hope, healing, and a fresh vision of what it means to follow Jesus.

For more info on Jim:
https://www.thenorthgateoh.com/

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JUSTIN PAUL ABRAHAM / THE FUTURE IS BETTER THAN YOU THINK

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Justin Paul Abraham joins Jason for one of the most expansive conversations, exploring what happens when the gospel is no longer driven by fear, but by union, joy, and the limitless goodness of God. Together they unpack mystical encounters, the logic of love, contemplative spirituality, technology, creativity, AI, the future of humanity, and why the Kingdom isn’t retreating from the world—it’s transforming it. From the charismatic movement to ancient Christian mysticism, from heaven invading earth to discovering Christ in every corner of creation, this conversation invites listeners into a bigger, brighter vision of the gospel where love is the organizing principle of reality, and the future has never been more hopeful.

For more on Justin:
https://www.cobh.live/

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LATOYA LACKEY / THE BLUFF HOUSE: FINDING HIS REST

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This conversation with author and podcaster Latoya Lackey is about rest, identity, union with God, and the exhausting weight of performance-driven faith. Together, Jason and Latoya unpack how fear-based religion, striving, comparison, and the need for validation keep us disconnected from the peace Jesus modeled. Through stories of burnout, awakening, marriage, ministry, belonging, and discovering the goodness of God through voices like Baxter Kruger and the early church fathers, this conversation becomes an invitation to stop living from pressure and start living from presence. If you’ve ever felt exhausted trying to prove yourself to God, others, or even yourself, this episode feels like a deep breath for the soul.

For more info on Latoya:
https://www.latoyalackeyministries.com/

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GODFREY BIRTILL / OTRAGEOUS GRACE

Outrageous Grace

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In this episode, Jason sits down with singer/songwriter Godfrey Birtill for a raw, funny, and moving conversation about outrageous grace, creativity, religion, and the scandalous goodness of God. From psychiatric wards to worship conferences and presence-filled songs, Godfrey shares how divine encounters, playful creativity, and a deep understanding of grace transformed his life and music, inspiring a fresh perspective on God’s love and the power of song. He also shares the story behind lyrics that have carried healing to thousands. Together, the fella explore what happens when the gospel stops being about performance and starts becoming an awakening to union, love, and the realization that God has never been disappointed in us.

For more info on Godfrey:
https://www.godfreyb.com/

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TOMMY MILLER & BOBBY SHANE BROOKS / THE CROSS, SONSHIP & WHY JESUS KEPT HIS SCARS

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What if the gospel is better than we thought? In this live conversation, Jason joins Tommy Miller and Bobby Shane Brooks at the Homecoming Conference to explore union, sonship, healing, friendship with God, and the awakening happening in the Church today. From stories of heartbreak and family to revelation and restored identity, to why Jesus kept His scars, this is a conversation about discovering that love is the long game.

For more information
https://legacy-church-ohio.churchcenter.com/

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PAUL GOLF / DAMASCUS: ENCOUNTER THE UNEXPECTED CHRIST

From Performance to Peace: How Beloved Identity Changes Everything

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Jason reconnects with his friend (and occasional co-host) Paul Golf for a laughter-and-theology conversation that starts with Dutch tacos and ends with a gospel that actually works outside a “climate-controlled” church environment. Paul shares the story behind Damascus: Encounter the Unexpected Christ—how transformative encounters with Jesus dismantled fear-based paradigms (wrath, separation, performative spirituality) and forced him to find new language for what he’d experienced. Together, they explore why “a prophet’s job is to remove fear,” why revelation comes before instruction, and how salvation looks less like “getting in” and more like waking up inside the Father’s house—from dreamland/nightmareland into the reality of union and perfect love that casts out fear—plus a quick preview of the Bristol (May 29–30, 2026) gathering.

For more info on Paul Golf:
https://championsofhope.co.uk/

To purchase Paul’s new book:
https://Damascusbook.com/

For more info on the From Presence to Encounter Weekend, Friday 29th & Saturday 30th May in Bristol:
https://championsofhope.co.uk/2026/02/02/from-presence-to-encounter/

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