JAMES E. ALDERMAN & LARRY HUDSON / THE “GOSPEL” I GREW UP ON
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In this deeply honest and hope-filled conversation, Jason sits down with James E. Alderman and Larry Hudson to unpack “the gospel they grew up on” and the journey of waking up to a God who has never turned away. Together they explore fear-based religion, the Romans Road, transactional Christianity, healing, union, identity, and the radical discovery that God is better than we imagined.
Through stories of pastoring, deconstruction, friendship, prayer, suffering, healing, and grace, this episode becomes an invitation to stop striving for God’s affection and finally learn how to live loved. If you’ve ever wrestled with shame, separation, church hurt, or trying to earn what was already yours in Christ, this conversation will feel like fresh air for your soul.
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In this conversation, Roy Rhoades shares his transformative journey from a legalistic upbringing to a deep understanding of God’s love. He emphasizes the importance of community, connection, and the freedom that comes from living loved. The discussion highlights the shift from performance-based ministry to a love-centered approach, showcasing the power of love in action, especially in his experiences in India. Roy’s insights on humility, childlikeness, and the significance of hearing God’s voice resonate throughout the conversation, culminating in a powerful message about the beauty of union with God.
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2025 & KINDNESS WITH JASON CLARK
In this end-of-year episode, Jason reflects on 2025, sharing personal stories and testimonies that highlight the transformative power of God’s kindness and love. Jason emphasizes the importance of community connections and the impact of God’s love in personal growth. The podcast culminates with a Taco Tuesday Teaching pulled from the Rethinking God with Tacos Circle Community. Jason speaks to how kindness is a foundation for transformation and authentic living.
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KRUGER, THOMPSON, ENGLEHART & MILLER / THE UNDILUTED GOSPEL
The Undiluted Gospel, hosted by Dubb Alexander & Jason Clark
This conversation took place at the 2025 RGWT Reunion with Baxter Kruger, Damon Thompson, Jamie Englehart, and Tommy Miller. It was hosted by Dubb Alexander and Jason Clark and explored the transformative power of the undiluted gospel and the role of the Holy Spirit in believers’ lives, emphasizing the profound impact of proclaiming faith in Jesus.
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Tommy Miller: https://www.ncfc.church/
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Reveal / Defend
Years ago, I was on staff at a church where the worship leader and I had radical differences about theology. One week, I preached a message declaring that everyone in the room was a spiritual giant. I was speaking to our identity, our original innocence, and the invitation to participate in the finished work of the Cross.
The following week, the worship pastor stood with an actual whip in his hand and preached the opposite. He declared we are prone to wander and that God looks away. “There are no spiritual giants in this room,” he said. It was heartbreaking. His theology, to me, was wrong, toxic, and deeply flawed.
I stood in the back of the room for the third and final service. “Father, what am I doing here?” I asked. And then He reminded me who He is and who I am. LOVE. Measureless, other-centered, self-giving, transforming LOVE.
“You’re here to be LOVE—to be a walking revelation of My affection.” He said. “You’re here to reveal, not defend.” He reminded me that Love keeps no record of wrong and thus has no right to be offended.
Then my Father highlighted a fella who stood in the back row, arms stretched wide, tears streaming down his face. “That man is having an encounter with my love.” My Father said.
For a split second, I was annoyed. “But the message is wrong, toxic, it’s deeply flawed!” I thought. Then just as quick, my heart shifted as I heard my Father whisper, “Yes, Jason, the
message is wrong, toxic, it’s deeply flawed. But one encounter with My love is more powerful than anything else. My love is transformative, sustaining. My love is the long game. And I’ve never limited myself to your poor theology.”
That moment defined my ministry. God meets us where we are, in the middle of our flawed theology. He speaks in the language of our understanding.
I realized that man was unlikely ready to hear the good news as I had discovered it; he was lost in the knowledge of good and evil, a prodigal who only understood slaving, the context of transaction. It’s heartbreaking, but the whip message was the language of his understanding.
Was his understanding deeply flawed? Yes. But that’s the road he was traveling, and thus that’s the road our Father met him on. Our Father chased Him down and embraced Him, knowing that embrace would ultimately, over time, and hopefully in this life, reveal the Gospel. The good news that would set him truly and fully free. There is no shadow of turning with Thee, and thus there is no earning, no whip. Love is unconditional.
The point? Our Father did not limit His kind affection to the flawed words coming from the man on stage. No, our Father ran to meet his son, who only wanted to know he was loved! Our Father knew that over time, His measureless love would transform any part of the son’s wrong, toxic, and deeply flawed theology.
I’ve given my life to rethinking my theology. It matters. The closer we are to knowing Greater Love — the more our God lens is like Jesus — the more we experience eternal life. But it’s a journey.
My journey into this union grace has been 51 hard-fought, intentional years where my Father continues to faithfully meet me in my wrong, toxic, and deeply flawed theology.
And this is why I’m encouraged today. You see, I’m not alone. And while it’s taken me 51 years of growing conviction in this Greater love gospel, these days, I meet people who are just as confident at half my age. And then there are the fathers and mothers who are mature in their union – LOVE.
Union, grace, it’s in the ether. We have books, and language, ministries, people, the church, deep and wide, maturing in love.
Right now, there is a spiritual hunger in our world, while at the same time, there is an awakening within the church. Yes, there are distorted versions of Jesus being presented and leveraged, but there’s also a groundswell of sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, friends who are convinced in His affection.
Yesterday, I recognized that man from the church years ago in the upraised arms of hundreds of thousands as we celebrated Charlie Kirk’s life and mourned his death. And I heard my Father whisper. “Yes, Jason, some of the message is wrong, toxic, it’s deeply flawed. But one encounter with My love is more powerful than anything else. My love is transformative, sustaining. My love is the long game.”
I watched yesterday in the liberty of a gospel that doesn’t require agreement or the “right” theology. A gospel that isn’t limited to our finite fears but is a measureless love that casts out fear. A Love that meets us where we are and, thank God, doesn’t leave us there but journeys with us. A love that transforms.
Many are worried about how Charlie’s passing has been politicized. Some are concerned about the left, others about the right. We live in a dualistic world, where the knowledge of good and evil always creates a vortex that pulls people in. It is a tired and powerless waste of time. There is no eternal life to be found in it.
But here’s a word of encouragement: we’re not here to defend, but to reveal. May we grow ever sure in His love.
My heart goes out to Charlie’s wife and kids, his family. Praying grace, grace, grace.
BILL WINN WITH C. BAXTER KRUGER / GOOD DIRT
In this week’s conversation, long-term friend and host of the Good Dirt, Bill Winn, sits down with Baxter and Jason to explore the sacred-secular divide that has shaped so much of Christian thinking. From hilarious tales of roosters and bees to profound moments about porta potties and car repairs, Baxter, Jason, and Bill unpack how the presence of the Father, Son, and Spirit infuses all of life—not just church services or “religious” activities.
Together they challenge the false split between sacred and secular, showing how every vocation, and every moment in life can all be seen as sacred as we participate in the great life and dance of the Father, Son, and Spirit. Then the conversation turns to explore what union with Jesus truly means. Together, they unpack how union ends religious striving, revealing that we have always belonged to the Father, Son, and Spirit—even before the foundation of the world.
Through personal stories, scripture, and practical insights, they show that union isn’t about trying to get to God but waking up to the truth that Jesus has already united himself with us—even in our darkest places. It is this good news that brings a peace and freedom beyond anything we’ve known before.
For more on Bill Winn:
Website: https://www.billwinnbooks.com/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3_V5DDa9TfuWM4IORLtAwQ
For more on Dr. C. Baxter Kruger:
https://perichoresis.org/
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MATTHEW HESTER & JAMIE ENGLEHART / HOLY GROUND EVERYWHERE
In this engaging conversation, Jamie Englehart, Matthew Hester and Jason explore the themes of ministry, vulnerability, and the sacred-secular divide. They discuss the importance of recognizing God in all aspects of life, the call to full-time kingdom ministry, and the shift from traditional church structures to a more inclusive understanding of community and leadership. The conversation emphasizes the need for authenticity, healing, and sincerity in ministry, encouraging leaders to embrace their vulnerabilities and foster genuine connections with others.
The guys also explore the themes of vulnerability, authenticity, and love within ministry. They discuss the role of armor bearers, the importance of community support, and the need for grace in leadership. The conversation delves into the nature of God’s love and the journey towards maturity in one’s relationship with Him. They emphasize the significance of being real and honest in ministry, as well as the transformative power of love.
For more information on Matthew Hester
https://www.hesterministries.org/
For more information on Bishop Jamie Englehart
https://connectinternationalministries.com/leadership/
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STEVE CHALKE / THE JOURNEY OF ACCEPTANCE AND BELONGING
In this conversation, Steve Chalke and Jason explore themes of faith, love, and inclusion, reflecting on personal experiences and the legacy of influential figures like Tony Campolo. They discuss the impact of poverty and trauma on communities, the nature of God’s love, and the importance of relational theology.
The dialogue emphasizes the need for a re-evaluation of traditional theological views, advocating for a more inclusive and loving approach within the church and society.
For more information on Steve Chalke:
Oasis Charitable Trust: www.oasisuk.org
Academy For Hope: https://www.academyforhope.org/
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MALCOLM SMITH / HOLY SPIRIT, THE GENIUS TEACHER
In this heartfelt conversation, Malcolm Smith and Jason explore the beauty and friendship of the Holy Spirit. From stories of Malcolm’s teenage encounter with what he calls “liquid love,” to reflections on prayer, revelation, and union with the Trinity, this episode is full of wisdom, intimacy, and joy.
Malcolm shares how the Spirit has been his lifelong teacher and best friend—not a distant doctrine, but a living presence guiding him into all truth. Together, they challenge the separation mindset of much of modern Christianity, and instead emphasize wholeness, intimacy, and our mattering deeply to God. The conversation concludes with Malcolm praying Paul’s Ephesians 1 prayer—that the eyes of our hearts would be opened to see the hope, identity, and resurrection power alive in us.
For more on Malcolm Smith
Website: https://www.unconditionallovefellowship.com/
Website: https://www.malcolmsmith.org/
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BILL VANDERBUSH / THE SOUND OF YOUR BLOOD
In this conversation, Bill Vanderbush and Jason delve into the themes of spirituality, the intersection of quantum science and faith, and the profound impact of words and declarations. They discuss the importance of understanding God’s goodness, the necessity of kindness, and the power of the resurrection message over judgment.
Vanderbush shares insights from his book ‘Sound of Your Blood,’ emphasizing the influence of human judgment on creation and the transformative power of love and kindness in spiritual conversations. The guys also explore the transformative power of kindness, the importance of shifting atmospheres, and the relationship between identity and behavior. They discuss the significance of understanding one’s identity as a child of God and how this realization can lead to co-creating with the Father. The dialogue emphasizes the journey of spiritual growth and the rediscovery of theology, highlighting the need for a deeper understanding of God’s goodness and the nature of the Father-Son relationship.
For more on Bill Vanderbush
Website: https://billvanderbush.com/
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