This conversation is a rich, honest exploration of deconstruction, charismatic culture, union with God, suffering, anger, and the actual shape of the gospel. Jason and John Crowder move past surface-level recent controversy and into the deeper issue beneath it all: separation-based theology. Rather than framing church failures as simply “gifting versus character,” they discuss Christology—whether our identity is rooted in union with Christ or in striving, performance, and spiritual hierarchy.

The guys unpack how revival culture, moralism, and celebrity Christianity often create blind spots that protect systems over people, while the true gospel restores beloved identity, co-suffering love, and embodied grace. The conversation ultimately returns to Jesus—not as a spiritual ladder to climb, but as the revelation that we are already included, already loved, and invited to participate in a kingdom shaped by self-giving love rather than power, outrage, or control.

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Jason Clark is a relational theologian—a storyteller who writes to reveal the transforming kindness of the love of God. He has authored several books, including Leaving and Finding Jesus, & God Is (Not) In Control. He is the lead communicator at A Family Story and host of Rethinking God with Tacos PODCAST. He and his wife, Karen, live in North Carolina with their four children, Madeleine and Joseph, Ethan, and Eva.

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