JOEL CLARK, TRICIA HALSEY & JEEVA RATNATHICAM / DEEPLY ROOTED STORIES
In this special episode, Jason Clark introduces Deeply Rooted and the creative team behind the stories they have been quietly building for years—films, children’s books, and family-centered adventures designed to reveal the goodness of God, strengthen families, and awaken imagination. From the emotional feature film ALL IN to the wildly imaginative young adult book series I Changed the World, this conversation dives into storytelling, faith, creativity, healing, and why the stories we believe shape the people we become. It’s funny, vulnerable, inspiring, and full of behind-the-scenes insight into a growing movement of redemptive storytelling
For more info on the I Changed the World Books Series Offer, go to:
https://ichangedtheworldoffer.com/
For more information on Deeply Rooted, go to:
https://deeplyrootedstories.com/
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DAVID DE VOS / EVERYONE IS A CHILD OF GOD
In this conversation, David de Vos shares his journey of faith, vulnerability, and the transformative power of God’s love. He discusses his healing journey, the impact of his book ‘Raw’, and the importance of inclusion and acceptance in faith. David emphasizes the need to redefine ministry and evangelism, focusing on compassion and connection with others. He introduces his new book ‘Everyone is a Child of God’, exploring the universal love of God and the journey of self-acceptance. The conversation highlights the significance of community and the call to love without borders.
For more information on David de Vos
https://www.youtube.com/c/DaviddeVos
https://www.instagram.com/david_de_vos_/
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DAVID PECK / ON LOVE, WONDER, AND FOOTNOTES
In this engaging conversation, Jason Clark and David Peck explore themes of faith, love, belonging, and the power of storytelling. They discuss the complexities of belief, the importance of curiosity, and the role of community in navigating life’s challenges. David shares insights from his documentary ‘Broken Courage’ and emphasizes the healing power of stories. The conversation highlights the need for radical hope and the significance of love in our relationships and interactions with others.
For more information on David Peck
https://brokencouragethemovie.com/
https://www.davidpecklive.com/podcast
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RABBI BRIAN ZACHARY MAYER / HIGHLY UNORTHODOX GOSPEL
In this engaging conversation, Rabbi Brian Zachary Mayer shares his journey from organized religion to a more inclusive understanding of spirituality, emphasizing love, kindness, and the importance of asking questions. He discusses the concept of original sin, the role of shame, and the transformative power of love in relationships. The dialogue also touches on the significance of humor and community in spiritual growth, as well as the journey of deconstruction and rebuilding one’s faith. Rabbi Brian’s insights encourage listeners to embrace their beloved identity and to approach life with compassion and kindness.
For more information on Rabbi Brian Zachary Mayer
https://rabbibrian.com/
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CYNTHIA MAGALLANES / YOU ARE BELOVED, YOU ARE ENOUGH
In this heartfelt conversation, Cynthia Magallanes shares her journey of healing from childhood trauma and the impact of her books, which aim to help others navigate their own healing processes. She discusses the importance of identity, community support, and the conflict between understanding God’s goodness amidst personal pain. Cynthia emphasizes the transformative power of love and the role of imagination in healing, as well as the significance of trusting God throughout the journey. The conversation also touches on the writing process and the message of her children’s books, which seek to restore a sense of wonder and belonging.
For more information on Cynthia Magallanes
https://www.cynthiamarisol.com/
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Reveal / Defend
Years ago, I was on staff at a church where the worship leader and I had radical differences about theology. One week, I preached a message declaring that everyone in the room was a spiritual giant. I was speaking to our identity, our original innocence, and the invitation to participate in the finished work of the Cross.
The following week, the worship pastor stood with an actual whip in his hand and preached the opposite. He declared we are prone to wander and that God looks away. “There are no spiritual giants in this room,” he said. It was heartbreaking. His theology, to me, was wrong, toxic, and deeply flawed.
I stood in the back of the room for the third and final service. “Father, what am I doing here?” I asked. And then He reminded me who He is and who I am. LOVE. Measureless, other-centered, self-giving, transforming LOVE.
“You’re here to be LOVE—to be a walking revelation of My affection.” He said. “You’re here to reveal, not defend.” He reminded me that Love keeps no record of wrong and thus has no right to be offended.
Then my Father highlighted a fella who stood in the back row, arms stretched wide, tears streaming down his face. “That man is having an encounter with my love.” My Father said.
For a split second, I was annoyed. “But the message is wrong, toxic, it’s deeply flawed!” I thought. Then just as quick, my heart shifted as I heard my Father whisper, “Yes, Jason, the
message is wrong, toxic, it’s deeply flawed. But one encounter with My love is more powerful than anything else. My love is transformative, sustaining. My love is the long game. And I’ve never limited myself to your poor theology.”
That moment defined my ministry. God meets us where we are, in the middle of our flawed theology. He speaks in the language of our understanding.
I realized that man was unlikely ready to hear the good news as I had discovered it; he was lost in the knowledge of good and evil, a prodigal who only understood slaving, the context of transaction. It’s heartbreaking, but the whip message was the language of his understanding.
Was his understanding deeply flawed? Yes. But that’s the road he was traveling, and thus that’s the road our Father met him on. Our Father chased Him down and embraced Him, knowing that embrace would ultimately, over time, and hopefully in this life, reveal the Gospel. The good news that would set him truly and fully free. There is no shadow of turning with Thee, and thus there is no earning, no whip. Love is unconditional.
The point? Our Father did not limit His kind affection to the flawed words coming from the man on stage. No, our Father ran to meet his son, who only wanted to know he was loved! Our Father knew that over time, His measureless love would transform any part of the son’s wrong, toxic, and deeply flawed theology.
I’ve given my life to rethinking my theology. It matters. The closer we are to knowing Greater Love — the more our God lens is like Jesus — the more we experience eternal life. But it’s a journey.
My journey into this union grace has been 51 hard-fought, intentional years where my Father continues to faithfully meet me in my wrong, toxic, and deeply flawed theology.
And this is why I’m encouraged today. You see, I’m not alone. And while it’s taken me 51 years of growing conviction in this Greater love gospel, these days, I meet people who are just as confident at half my age. And then there are the fathers and mothers who are mature in their union – LOVE.
Union, grace, it’s in the ether. We have books, and language, ministries, people, the church, deep and wide, maturing in love.
Right now, there is a spiritual hunger in our world, while at the same time, there is an awakening within the church. Yes, there are distorted versions of Jesus being presented and leveraged, but there’s also a groundswell of sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, friends who are convinced in His affection.
Yesterday, I recognized that man from the church years ago in the upraised arms of hundreds of thousands as we celebrated Charlie Kirk’s life and mourned his death. And I heard my Father whisper. “Yes, Jason, some of the message is wrong, toxic, it’s deeply flawed. But one encounter with My love is more powerful than anything else. My love is transformative, sustaining. My love is the long game.”
I watched yesterday in the liberty of a gospel that doesn’t require agreement or the “right” theology. A gospel that isn’t limited to our finite fears but is a measureless love that casts out fear. A Love that meets us where we are and, thank God, doesn’t leave us there but journeys with us. A love that transforms.
Many are worried about how Charlie’s passing has been politicized. Some are concerned about the left, others about the right. We live in a dualistic world, where the knowledge of good and evil always creates a vortex that pulls people in. It is a tired and powerless waste of time. There is no eternal life to be found in it.
But here’s a word of encouragement: we’re not here to defend, but to reveal. May we grow ever sure in His love.
My heart goes out to Charlie’s wife and kids, his family. Praying grace, grace, grace.
MARTIJN VAN TILBORGH / NEW WINE, NEW WINESKINS: A UNION APPROACH TO RETHINKING CHURCH
In this conversation, Martijn van Tilborgh and Jason explore the complexities of faith, community, and the nature of God beyond traditional religious paradigms. They discuss personal spiritual journeys, the importance of grace, and the need for rethinking church structures to foster individual revelation and community connection. The dialogue emphasizes the significance of listening, understanding cultural differences, and creating spaces for diverse expressions of faith, all while using tacos as a metaphor for community and connection.
For more information on Martijn van Tilborgh
https://www.martijnvantilborgh.com/
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MATTHEW HESTER & JAMIE ENGLEHART / HOLY GROUND EVERYWHERE
In this engaging conversation, Jamie Englehart, Matthew Hester and Jason explore the themes of ministry, vulnerability, and the sacred-secular divide. They discuss the importance of recognizing God in all aspects of life, the call to full-time kingdom ministry, and the shift from traditional church structures to a more inclusive understanding of community and leadership. The conversation emphasizes the need for authenticity, healing, and sincerity in ministry, encouraging leaders to embrace their vulnerabilities and foster genuine connections with others.
The guys also explore the themes of vulnerability, authenticity, and love within ministry. They discuss the role of armor bearers, the importance of community support, and the need for grace in leadership. The conversation delves into the nature of God’s love and the journey towards maturity in one’s relationship with Him. They emphasize the significance of being real and honest in ministry, as well as the transformative power of love.
For more information on Matthew Hester
https://www.hesterministries.org/
For more information on Bishop Jamie Englehart
https://connectinternationalministries.com/leadership/
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STEVE CHALKE / THE JOURNEY OF ACCEPTANCE AND BELONGING
In this conversation, Steve Chalke and Jason explore themes of faith, love, and inclusion, reflecting on personal experiences and the legacy of influential figures like Tony Campolo. They discuss the impact of poverty and trauma on communities, the nature of God’s love, and the importance of relational theology.
The dialogue emphasizes the need for a re-evaluation of traditional theological views, advocating for a more inclusive and loving approach within the church and society.
For more information on Steve Chalke:
Oasis Charitable Trust: www.oasisuk.org
Academy For Hope: https://www.academyforhope.org/
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MALCOLM SMITH / HOLY SPIRIT, THE GENIUS TEACHER
In this heartfelt conversation, Malcolm Smith and Jason explore the beauty and friendship of the Holy Spirit. From stories of Malcolm’s teenage encounter with what he calls “liquid love,” to reflections on prayer, revelation, and union with the Trinity, this episode is full of wisdom, intimacy, and joy.
Malcolm shares how the Spirit has been his lifelong teacher and best friend—not a distant doctrine, but a living presence guiding him into all truth. Together, they challenge the separation mindset of much of modern Christianity, and instead emphasize wholeness, intimacy, and our mattering deeply to God. The conversation concludes with Malcolm praying Paul’s Ephesians 1 prayer—that the eyes of our hearts would be opened to see the hope, identity, and resurrection power alive in us.
For more on Malcolm Smith
Website: https://www.unconditionallovefellowship.com/
Website: https://www.malcolmsmith.org/
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